billb
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Post by billb on Jul 25, 2024 19:35:06 GMT -8
We suffered the last four years because of what happened in Atlanta, Philadelphia, Detroit, and Milwaukee. Katie Hobbs should have recused herself in AZ too.
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Post by Luca on Jul 26, 2024 9:22:09 GMT -8
You have to wonder who is dumber. Is it the minority that actually believe some of the nonsensical theories that are proposed, or is it the people who circulate them thinking that they will be believed?
Our latest example is the proposal that Donald Trump was hit by "shrapnel" rather than an actual bullet during the assassination attempt. First, do these people actually know what shrapnel is? How it is caused? Can they explain how when there is a direct line of sight from shooter to target without any intervening obstruction what the (presumably) 5.56 caliber round hit causing the shrapnel?
Second, what possible difference would it make? Successful or not, it was an assassination attempt and it was a direct result of Secret Service incompetence if not indifference, and indirectly from malicious media/activist/ideologue characterization of the man for the last several years. We can debate how many angels can fit on the point of a pin or we can draw some common sense lessons from the event.
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Post by billb on Jul 26, 2024 10:55:05 GMT -8
Interestingly, this audio analysis suggests two shooters. It all happed so quick, he he broke it down by multiple audios of event.
About 8 minutes into the video.
There were three gunshots with a little space in between. They were distinct and likely from the same fun. Then five rapid fire shots from another gun. and then one shot, likely from the secret service sharp shooter. We need to find all the slugs and casings from this event.
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Post by MDDad on Jul 26, 2024 13:05:57 GMT -8
I was reading an article in the Wall Street Journal recently with a headline in the commentary section in which the author lead off with "Trump could have wrapped up the election with his acceptance speech. He did not." That was a sort of validation for me. I didn't listen to Trump's entire speech but I was surprised when in the initial comments he spoke about unity and ending violence and the animosity. This was the perfect time for him to make those points, having nearly been killed a few days before. I remember thinking to myself "That's nice, he must be listening to his advisors for once." But then of course he went off the rails once again ad libbing and ranting about the 2020 election, "we-had-the-greatest-this" and "we-had-the-greatest-that" and being his old unrepentant narcissistic self, likely alienating those swing voters that perhaps for a moment he had in the palm of his hand. I remember thinking "GodDAMMit, you just cannot HELP yourself, can you? You can't show even a HINT of humility or compromise. You cannot even LEAN across the aisle, let alone stretch your arm out across it." I believe for a moment he had the opportunity to give himself an insurmountable lead, but true to form pissed it away. Now I'm not so certain that he is going to win the election against the most incompetent, unqualified, vapid compulsive giggler presidential candidate the U.S. has ever seen. It would be hysterical if it weren't so serious. I've had a few patients with narcissistic personality disorder and it's both fascinating and sad to listen to them. They cannot bring themselves to believe that they aren't the smartest person in the room or the most accomplished. They are never wrong and if you try to convince them otherwise they can become enraged. God help us.................................Luca I agree. Trump has what we used to call "diarrhea mouth". He can hold it in for a while, but when it eventually breaks out, he can't stop it, and what comes out is mostly crap. I made the mistake of listening to his entire speech, and after starting out on a welcome personal and conciliatory note, he soon reverted back to his usual bragging, exaggerating and childish name-calling. I counted over a dozen times when he said he would do something and "we'll do it very fast" or "it really won't take very long". That is childish. And I also counted a dozen times when he used the phrase "like nobody's ever seen before", usually referring to something that was untrue. For example, he said Joe Biden brought us inflation "like nobody has ever seen before", so I looked it up. The highest annualized inflation rate under Joe Biden was 9.1% in June of 2022. But from February, 1974, to April, 1975, we had 14 consecutive months of annualized inflation over 10%. And from March, 1979, to October, 1981, we had 30 months of inflation over 10%, with a high of 14.7%. So he either didn't know what his mouth was talking about, or he was just plain intentionally lying. But Trump is just a symptom of a bigger problem the GOP faces: When most people vote in primaries, they vote for the candidate they like best, or the one who most reflects their political and social views. That's a luxury voters can afford if they belong to a majority party. However, the GOP comprises only between 30% and 33% of eligible voters. So primary voters should choose the candidate they think has the best chance of beating his Democrat rival. That candidate is probably not Donald Trump. His base is solidly behind him, but his base is a minority. He evokes so much dislike among Democrats and independents who won't vote for him that he is in danger of losing the election to a certified moron. Ron DeSantis and even Nikki Haley would have mopped the floor with Kamala Harris because they could attract voters from those camps that don't agree with Kamala's radical policies. But many of those same voters will vote for Harris anyway when faced with Trump as an alternative. As much as his supporters may love him, he may be the only Republican candidate who can lose this election. |
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Post by RSM789 on Jul 26, 2024 21:17:44 GMT -8
God help us.................................Luca ... So he either didn't know what his mouth was talking about, or he was just plain intentionally lying... With all due respect... As someone who can see the character flaws Trump has yet can also foresee the job he can do for the country (both policy & culturally), I feel qualified to say that 8 years down the road, you still don't get it. When you buy a car, is your decision made by what the salesman tells you or what you experience when you test drive the car? Trump is a salesman; he will always exaggerate how great the things he does are or how horrible the things others have done. That is very different than an intentional liar, such as those claiming that Trump told people to inject bleach into themselves or that Harris was never appointed the border czar. At your age, if you are taking what any politician is saying at face value, then you have aged without wisdom. We have had 8 years of Trump boasting or complaining about things. In nearly every case, the gist of what he was getting at turned out to be true. Over & over again, no matter that he exaggerates or misses with the exact details, the thrust of what he is saying is true. I would love for him to be more detail oriented & get everything down absolutely perfect, but reality is, that isn't going to happen. That is not him, it never will be. Shucks. People often complain about Presidential candidates "is this the best the country can produce?". Based on the absolute horror show one has to go through to run for the Presidency, much less get elected, I'd say the answer is "yes". There is not a well-balanced, non-ego driven, competent person in this country who would look at the gauntlet required to pass to become President and decide "Yep, I want to put me & my family through this". It is nearly a job requirement for our candidates to be flawed, for that flaw is what is typically driving them towards the goal of being elected. A rational person would never do it. If Trump had a doppelganger, matching him in all aspects except his wealth & he moved in next door to me, I'd move out quickly. Living next door to a person like him would be excruciating, I would make sure to get away as fast as I could. However, I don't support him as a neighbor, I support him as the best current option we have for President, warts & all. What you & I consider to be personality defects for day-to-day interaction is most likely the exact thing needed for a strong leader of our country at this time in history. For Heaven's sake, he took a bullet to the head & got back up, initially wanting to finish the speech. That is the sign of a lunatic, a rational person would be headed to the limo as fast as possible. But that lunacy is something that the rest of the world sees as strength, a trait so vital to a world leader. Can you imagine what Putin, Xi or Little Rocketman will be thinking the next time they meet with Trump & see the scar on his ear? They won't have any interest in being his friend, but they also will think twice about trying to push him around. My suggestion to you is to back out of the forest, get a better perspective and stop looking a gift horse in the mouth. Trump can be both somebody you don't like & the best person available to do the job. |
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Post by MDDad on Jul 26, 2024 21:42:19 GMT -8
My suggestion to you is to back out of the forest, get a better perspective and stop looking a gift horse in the mouth. Trump can be both somebody you don't like & the best person available to do the job.You've summarized by position on Trump without my having to back out of the forest and get a better perspective. I've said repeatedly that I support almost all of his policies, and that is one reason he will get my vote. The other is because Kamala Harris is a phony piece of shit. But the fact that I'm a conservative and don't like him is indicative that he will have trouble picking up the independent and Democrat votes he will need to win as a minority party candidate. Not liking someone shouldn't matter, but it does, if the dislike is strong enough to make you vote instead for a candidate whose policies make no sense. And my fear is that those independents and even Democrats who might have voted for a Ron DeSantis or Nikki Haley will instead vote for Kameltoe. |
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Post by MDDad on Jul 27, 2024 8:07:09 GMT -8
It's ironic how leaders like Abraham Lincoln, John Kennedy, Martin Luther King Jr., Ronald Reagan and Donald Trump all get shot, while inept pussies like Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Hillary Clinton and Gavin Newsom never suffer a scratch.
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Post by SK80 on Jul 27, 2024 8:14:09 GMT -8
If Kamala is a piece of sh*t and you two are in the forest ( woods), can we assume there is a bear near by?  Polling this week is going to be suspect and all over the place, the honeymoon is always a bump. That said, until the coronation coup took place, Kamala had/has one of the worse likability ratings in polling history hovering right w/ Joe in the high 30's(%). Not sure the sentiment, likability is about to skyrocket from here. Remember, she had a 1% support of her electorate in the Democrat primary. She was tagged w/ the farthest left Senator in her time, (recently scrubbed), & her being from California is a national disadvantage. So this leaves you w/ Trump, a pretty decent Presidential record, I will assume after a decade of attacks there are no more October surprises coming our way, (outside a jail sentence handed down or another assassination attempt), to MDDad's point, the hatred, dislike factor could carry Kamala across the finish line if Americans really believe he is the worst of two evils. Trump's job is to set out and prove that evil lies mainly with Kamala and her farther than Joe Biden progressive liberalism. THERE IS NO DENYING she is further left! The media will spin this but they have dug themselves such a transparency hole no one believes them anymore. The orchestrated coup and the media standing by as an accomplice even has some Dems fuming. This may irk MDDad but Trump will likely have to go FULL METAL JACKET on Kamala. I know the risk is looking like a racist misogynist loud mouth bully but I think we have passed the lets be nice Trump we shortly saw after the Pennsylvania event. Trump, Vance, GOP have to frame Kamala for what she is. I think they can do that, even with the media and celebrities throwing cover. People right now do not like Kamala, do not trust the media and do not care much for lists Hollywood celebrities. The real game starts after DNC convention. It will now be a star studded social media hoopla including Barry & Mike. Fasten your seatbelts. |
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Post by MDDad on Jul 27, 2024 9:59:16 GMT -8
This may irk MDDad but Trump will likely have to go FULL METAL JACKET on Kamala. I know the risk is looking like a racist misogynist loud mouth bully but I think we have passed the lets be nice Trump we shortly saw after the Pennsylvania event. Trump, Vance, GOP have to frame Kamala for what she is. I think they can do that, even with the media and celebrities throwing cover. I have no problem with Trump going "full metal jacket" on Kamala Harris. If anyone deserves it, it's her. But there are ways of attacking her many failures and shortcomings, and the horrific policy positions she takes, without his constantly bragging about how great he is, or exaggerating things people know are not what he says, or calling her childish names. All that does is turn off the voters outside his base who are still on the fence and could tilt the election results to either side. |
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Post by billb on Jul 27, 2024 10:45:34 GMT -8
I agree, Trump can seem rough around the edges, and he says things that I wouldn't. But interestingly, he has more money than me, his kids turned out really good, he won the Presidency (I didn't do that either), and he policies align mostly with mine. IMO, he did a great job in the first term. Billy Graham Jr. told Trump to quit cussing the other day, and he took it to heart. I think he is a work in progress, and he still has things to learn that the Bible teaches, like humility, etc.
After his uncle was shot and killed (now I believe by a conspiracy launched by the CIA), I think RFK would be a perfect attack dog as AG. I don't know if he would accept it, but that agency, along with the FBI and Justice Department, need to be turned upside down. If not by RFK, then someone needs to it.
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Post by Bick on Jul 27, 2024 17:19:59 GMT -8
The bigger disappointment from this guy's perspective isn't the substance of Trump, but the style is so out of bounds that it trumped the substance last election and might happen again.
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Post by billb on Jul 27, 2024 20:17:17 GMT -8
I agree. Trump does have an issue with his style, I agree. But somehow it works. I wouldn't talk like him.
As a side note: Once I heard him saying something about DeSantis and thought it came out of left field. Little did I know, and I heard later a quote from DeSantis talking dirt about Trump. I was surprised.
He has a different style from me for sure. But then again, what are the chances of me getting elected to dog catcher...
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Post by SK80 on Jul 28, 2024 6:32:45 GMT -8
I think the election can be won simply by framing Kamala and the Democrats as the party of San Francisco. As much as I am embarrassed by it, the city and the state of California are an easy way to point out to the nation what would be in store for them. The policies and imagery seen daily by the people of this country would, will terrify them to no end. I think, believe they already get it, but just hammer it home.
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PRESIDENT TRUMP: “This November, the American people are going to reject Kamala Harris’s crazy liberal extremism on a massive landslide...
We’re not going to let her turn the United States into communist San Francisco”
HELL NO WE WON’T!
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Post by Luca on Jul 29, 2024 14:37:52 GMT -8
I'm not sure that you understood what I was trying to say, RSM. To me Trump has by far more common sense approaches to most issues than our senile current president or the uninformed, giggling empty skirt who thinks she's presidential material. I don't agree with some of his opinions but I think he is much less likely to go off the ideological deep end than those two.
It's irritating because it would be so easy for him to walk away with this election, given his approaches compared to his opponent's (such as they are). It would be so much better in the long run. It may not affect me terribly but I am concerned about my own kids who will have to live with the wild-ass economic plans on the horizon. But he doesn't seem capable of moderating himself even a little bit. If you remember, it's like that over the top skier Lindsey Jacobellis who had the gold metal won but couldn't resist doing one last unnecessary overly flamboyant flip and face planted.......... for the silver medal. Like the egotistical wide receiver who spikes the ball on the 1 yard line
It doesn't seem like it's asking that much.................Luca
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Post by MDDad on Jul 29, 2024 14:44:21 GMT -8
To summarize:
(1) Trump's policies capture the support of Republican voters more than those of any other candidate. But Republicans are a minority party.
(2) Trump's narcissistic personality and childish ways of expressing himself alienate more independent and Democrat voters than any other candidate. And that may be enough to cost him the election, especially when one factors in the same or higher level of election fraud than we had in 2020.
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