SK80
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Post by SK80 on Jul 29, 2024 18:00:51 GMT -8
I'm not sure that you understood what I was trying to say, RSM. To me Trump has by far more common sense approaches to most issues than our senile current president or the uninformed, giggling empty skirt who thinks she's presidential material. I don't agree with some of his opinions but I think he is much less likely to go off the ideological deep end than those two. It's irritating because it would be so easy for him to walk away with this election, given his approaches compared to his opponent's (such as they are). It would be so much better in the long run. It may not affect me terribly but I am concerned about my own kids who will have to live with the wild-ass economic plans on the horizon. But he doesn't seem capable of moderating himself even a little bit. If you remember, it's like that over the top skier Lindsey Jacobellis who had the gold metal won but couldn't resist doing one last unnecessary overly flamboyant flip and face planted.......... for the silver medal. Like the egotistical wide receiver who spikes the ball on the 1 yard line It doesn't seem like it's asking that much.................Luca Trump is a fairly pragmatic problem solver. I do not see him as an ideologue, far from it. The other side, we are staring right at, whether its Kamala or the cabal shadow government running all this. With her far, farther, farthest left wing ideology should she win, have a Congress or Senate majority we could see the end of the Republic as we know it. Luca, one would think this should be a cakewalk for Trump, but as MDDad points out in many ways the R's are in the minority. Our national vote is proving that out of late. I too thought Trump after the assassination attempt would take a little different humbling tone and act. Guess that wasn't in the cards. I know it seems logical to us, but he has used his formula pretty successfully over his life. So who is to say. The voters will get theirs November 5th. I believe many of us are a bit off guard at the moment as beating Joe Biden was so inevitable. No it's a different playing field, a refueled media and party is going to go all out. What I have seen since to coup is YET AGAIN how the collective mind works and is a better voting block as they all move and coalesce in union. The heads of that party have their fist and hand on their constituents like union bosses. Heck, the are so good at this not even a primary was necessary. Do as we say goes a long way in the Democrat Party. I heard an interesting analogy today, something along the line, think about it like this..., we are not voting for Trump the person, we are voting FOR US. This should be about WE THE PEOPLE! |
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Post by Bick on Jul 29, 2024 18:01:25 GMT -8
Elon F'n Musk...classic! You've got to read his response from his authority reference.
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Post by SK80 on Jul 29, 2024 18:09:37 GMT -8
especially when one factors in the same or higher level of election fraud than we had in 2020. This is very concerning, are there any systems, checks and balances in place or did they perfect the ground game, early voting, ballot harvesting and any other irregularities especially the states that took weeks to count ballots. I will say, election fraud is also election interference. Thankfully the purchase of Twitter by Musk has evened that playing field a bit if not by a lot. Did anyone see how they/he exposed Google today in searching President Trump. Probably deserves its own thread. I even asked ChatGPT today if there was an assassination attempt on President Donald J. Trump. The reply was frightening. See below:  I then proceed to add facts to the conversation after about 5 or 6 back and forth ChatGPT caved in and agreed. ORWELLIAN! |
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Post by SK80 on Jul 29, 2024 18:11:39 GMT -8
Elon F'n Musk...classic! You've got to read his response from his authority reference. Bick you didn't attach the response, something along the line that he didn't know parody was against the law! |
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Post by Bick on Jul 29, 2024 18:44:38 GMT -8
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Post by RSM789 on Jul 29, 2024 21:10:16 GMT -8
I'm not sure that you understood what I was trying to say, RSM.................Luca My response was not to your post, but rather to MDDad's "fact-checking" of Trump's statement about the recent inflation being the worst ever. MDDad described it as either intentional lying or ignorance when in reality it was a salespersons hyperbole. I do agree that Trump's narcissistic tendencies often make the results he is going for more difficult to achieve. I would propose that without those narcissistic tendencies, there is a good chance he would have spent the last 8 years just enjoying his grandchildren & the Florida sunshine. I don't think we can discount that that which frustrates us as to his actions is also the only reason he gave up a luxury life to run for President. |
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Post by MDDad on Jul 29, 2024 21:32:50 GMT -8
MDDad described it as either intentional lying or ignorance when in reality it was a salespersons hyperbole. I guess "a salespersons hyperbole" is just a more palatable, apologetic way of saying "intentional lying or ignorance". Estimates of the number of illegal aliens that have entered through our southern border since Biden took office vary between about 4 1/2 to 11 million. In his acceptance speech, Trump said Biden has allowed more than 20 million illegal aliens to invade our country. If we also write that off to "a salespersons hyperbole", then there's no longer any room for honesty or the truth, and there won't be a discernable difference between reality and bullshit. We expend a lot of time and energy on this forum to point out when Democrats or their candidates lie. I'd hope we are grown up and intellectually honest enough to do the same when our candidates are just as dishonest. |
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Post by RSM789 on Jul 30, 2024 16:38:34 GMT -8
MDDad described it as either intentional lying or ignorance when in reality it was a salespersons hyperbole. I guess "a salespersons hyperbole" is just a more palatable, apologetic way of saying "intentional lying or ignorance". Estimates of the number of illegal aliens that have entered through our southern border since Biden took office vary between about 4 1/2 to 11 million. In his acceptance speech, Trump said Biden has allowed more than 20 million illegal aliens to invade our country. If we also write that off to "a salespersons hyperbole", then there's no longer any room for honesty or the truth, and there won't be a discernable difference between reality and bullshit. We expend a lot of time and energy on this forum to point out when Democrats or their candidates lie. I'd hope we are grown up and intellectually honest enough to do the same when our candidates are just as dishonest. You guessed wrong. When a person is essentially correct on a subject but gets the details incorrect, only those with a poor perspective will engage in nitpicking and declaring that "error" is lying. But since you have chosen to place yourself on a moral high ground, lets apply the same standard to you. There is no way to put an accurate number on the number of illegal aliens who have entered the country since Biden took office, for we have no idea of the ones we don't know about. The only number we can try to extrapolate from is the number of recorded encounters released into the country, which is over 7 million. So when you state that the estimates are as low as 4.5 million, are you intentionally lying or ignorant? The irony of the situation is that decades from now, following the 2030 & 2040 census, "experts" will declare that after studying the data & migration patterns in the West & Southwest, they have "discovered" the number of illegal aliens who entered the country in the first half of the 2020's was over 20 million. |
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Post by MDDad on Jul 30, 2024 18:21:11 GMT -8
When a person is essentially correct on a subject but gets the details incorrect, only those with a poor perspective will engage in nitpicking and declaring that "error" is lying. RSM, I'm really glad you're back. This forum is a much better place when we don't all agree on everything and can respectfully argue and disagree. Trump is old enough to remember the late 1970's when the monthly YOY inflation rate was typically between 12% and 14% for over two years. So when he says Biden gave us inflation like nobody's ever seen before, he isn't "essentially correct on the subject but just getting the details wrong". He's essentially misstating the facts (i.e. not telling the truth) for political benefit. I'm under no misconcpetion that he's the only one that does so, but it is what it is. When I post those estimates, I'm neither lying nor ignorant. I'm repeating what I've heard and read over the last three or four months. That's not the same as doubling the highest estimates, again for political gain. I apologize. If I had known you are prescient enough to know what experts will declare decades from now, I might have kept my mouth shut. My bad. |
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Post by RSM789 on Jul 30, 2024 20:21:52 GMT -8
Predicting the future isn't difficult if you have access to information & pay attention. The Simpsons & Family Guy have been doing it for years.
After Trump made a comment about Harris being the border czar, many on the left cried foul. They pointed out that she was never officially named to such a position and (in so many words) that Trump was either intentionally lying or ignorant. Based on your previous declarations, I'd expect that you'd agree with their assessment, if for no other reason than to stay consistent.
As hordes of illegal aliens flow over the border under Bidens watch, devastating our countries security & economy, you have decided it is worthwhile to focus on whether or not Trump got the number right. Wow.
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Post by MDDad on Jul 30, 2024 21:34:10 GMT -8
Predicting the future isn't difficult if you have access to information & pay attention. The Simpsons & Family Guy have been doing it for years. OK, I could always use a little extra cash. Can you tell me who will win the next World Series and Super Bowl? Thanks in advance. You can PM me the answer. That's a pretty weak example. It wasn't just Trump that called Harris the border czar, it was every politician and reporter in the country. It seem pretty selective of the left to single out Trump for lying or being ignorant when they had such a large population to choose from. So no, I don't agree with their assessment. You again mistake my priorities. I think the border invasion is one of the most significant and harmful things that has happened to this nation in a generation, and I fully blame Biden and Harris for it. That doesn't preclude me from also being disappointed in politicians like Trump, and others, who intentionally make up imaginary facts and numbers to try and sway voters and harm their opponents. Maybe I'm just a great multi-tasker, but I can be concerned with both issues at the same time. |
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Post by billb on Jul 30, 2024 22:16:55 GMT -8
How many people alive today remember the 70s?
Was he lying? I don't think he even misrepresented the inflation rate, despite an analysis of it. If someone stands up and talks to a crowd about something for a half-hour or longer, for goodness sakes, the inflation rates are horrendous.
Compared to what the media has been feeding us, I consider Trump pretty accurate. Despite the fact our basket of goods has changed on a seasonal basis... Plus, I wouldn't doubt if there was some monkey business with the way things are calculated nowadays, especially considering how many people in the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) will be voting for a Republican. It is all safe an effective, I am sure.
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Post by SK80 on Jul 31, 2024 6:09:31 GMT -8
Predicting the future isn't difficult if you have access to information & pay attention. The Simpsons & Family Guy have been doing it for years.
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Post by SK80 on Jul 31, 2024 6:26:52 GMT -8
When a person is essentially correct on a subject but gets the details incorrect, only those with a poor perspective will engage in nitpicking and declaring that "error" is lying. So when he says Biden gave us inflation like nobody's* ever seen before, he isn't "essentially correct on the subject but just getting the details wrong". So when you state that the estimates are as low as 4.5 million, are you intentionally lying or ignorant.* insert "most" have, we all good now? the guy does speak in hyperbole, painting a picture of how we see and feel things today. So most of us here are those "nobody's" and you are correct (fact) to point that out. Yet during the 70's even I who remembers sitting in odd & even gas lines at that age probably really wasn't aware of what I was seeing (seen.). It was all these years later w/ perspective looking that far back that I really understand it. Heck, my father moved us to CDM in the 70's and his mortgage rate was hovering in the double digits. I see that for what it is/was now in perspective. |
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