davidsf
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Post by davidsf on Aug 16, 2021 6:11:34 GMT -8
Biden is a gutless fool. First he gave Vladimir Putin a list of 16 targets to please not hack, now he's asked the Taliban to please not damage the embassy. He is an embarrassment to every American who ever wore a uniform. A friend of mine who served in Afghanistan said the same thing, even used some of those same words. Regrettably, Harris will be worse. He's addled, she's just a clueless ho' |
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thefrog
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Post by thefrog on Aug 16, 2021 6:43:57 GMT -8
Just had one of my old football players deployed to this mess. Godspeed.
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tarmac
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Post by tarmac on Aug 16, 2021 6:48:56 GMT -8
The Taliban is now has the best equipped army in the region.
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Luca
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Post by Luca on Aug 16, 2021 7:26:56 GMT -8
In retrospect it seems evident that it was always a dichotomous situation in Afghanistan. The same situation the Russians found themselves in and the same thing found ourselves with in Vietnam. It was either going to be an unending US military presence or an abysmal defeat. The side with the superior will to win usually triumphs. God apparently does not side (as was once said) with the larger battalions, He sometimes favors the more motivated. The Vietcong were strongly motivated by a communist zeal and the Taliban by a mystical, millenialist vision. We were trying to instill a western democratic dream into cultures where it had no history and simply did not take. Few Afghans or South Vietnamese were willing to sacrifice their lives fighting a bunch of zealots to establish a foreign vision of government.
George Bush I did it right when he drove Iraq out of Kuwait and then got the hell out of Dodge. George Bush II made the mistake of thinking we could create a lasting change.
That being said, President Biden could hardly have executed this clusterf--k more poorly that he has. There have to have been US military advisors in Afghanistan who knew exactly what would happen if he carried out "his" plan, and I am sure he was told this. But given that Joe Biden has significant cognitive impairment, he could not reason his way through the problem and I believe he has a bunch of advisors who are in way over their heads. Up until a few days ago Biden was insisting that the Afghans could take care of themselves and there wouldn't be any helicopters scurrying off of US embassy roofs evacuating the last man standing. And yet that's exactly what happened a few days later.
"If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs......." Luca
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MDDad
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Post by MDDad on Aug 16, 2021 7:50:18 GMT -8
Luca, I agree. The debacle in Afghanistan, while a major black eye for Joe Biden and another strong indicator of his mental decline and the naive advice he is getting from his "experts", is primarily a tragedy for the Afghan people. More concerning is what would happen if Vladimir Putin and Xi Jinping jointly or separately make the decision to take advantage of the fact that the United States has no one at the helm with a modicum of courage or reasoning ability. This is their time to make major, provocative moves with little fear of a coherent response from us, and they must realize that such an opportunity may never come again.
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Bick
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Post by Bick on Aug 16, 2021 8:00:42 GMT -8
"If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs......." Luca Literally |
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thefrog
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Post by thefrog on Aug 16, 2021 8:10:36 GMT -8
Why the hell would you address the nation at 3:45 PM ET???
I suppose when the majority of the nation is at home on unemployment your audience may be large…
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Post by vilepagan on Aug 16, 2021 10:09:38 GMT -8
George Bush I did it right when he drove Iraq out of Kuwait and then got the hell out of Dodge. George Bush II made the mistake of thinking we could create a lasting change. That being said, President Biden could hardly have executed this clusterf--k more poorly that he has. There have to have been US military advisors in Afghanistan who knew exactly what would happen if he carried out "his" plan, and I am sure he was told this. Indeed George Bush II is the one who got us involved in Afghanistan so I think he deserves a large part of the blame. Obama deserves some of the blame because he expanded on policies started by Bush that drove recruitment for the Taliban. Trump deserves some of the blame because he made bad deals and promises that you see being kept today...except he wanted to be out by May. What exactly do you think Biden could have done differently? Why do you think this was "his" plan? Why are you so sure that he went against the advice of his military advisors? |
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Post by vilepagan on Aug 16, 2021 10:11:38 GMT -8
I suppose when the majority of the nation is at home on unemployment your audience may be large… I suppose when you make up silly things to complain about (the unemployment rate is at 5.4%) we can just assume your statement is bullshit. |
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Post by Bick on Aug 16, 2021 11:23:42 GMT -8
Why the hell would you address the nation at 3:45 PM ET??? I suppose when the majority of the nation is at home on unemployment your audience may be large… You were expecting him to go on prime time to explain how his incompetence led to those people getting slaughtered while the world watched? Are you expecting him to say "oops, we slightly misjudged the respective capabilities of the taliban and afghan army when I was just giving a presser a few weeks ago saying just the opposite" ? |
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davidsf
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Post by davidsf on Aug 16, 2021 11:35:11 GMT -8
Why the hell would you address the nation at 3:45 PM ET??? I suppose when the majority of the nation is at home on unemployment your audience may be large… You were expecting him to go on prime time to explain how his incompetence led to those people getting slaughtered while the world watched? Are you expecting him to say "oops, we slightly misjudged the respective capabilities of the taliban and afghan army when I was just giving a presser a few weeks ago saying just the opposite" ? Well, that, and he had to get it in before his nap... |
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davidsf
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Post by davidsf on Aug 16, 2021 11:35:40 GMT -8
Help me out here...
I don't think it was much of a trick to take a city like Kabul when the duly elected government AND the military had already left.
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thefrog
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Post by thefrog on Aug 16, 2021 11:44:01 GMT -8
Why the hell would you address the nation at 3:45 PM ET??? I suppose when the majority of the nation is at home on unemployment your audience may be large… You were expecting him to go on prime time to explain how his incompetence led to those people getting slaughtered while the world watched? Are you expecting him to say "oops, we slightly misjudged the respective capabilities of the taliban and afghan army when I was just giving a presser a few weeks ago saying just the opposite" ? It was rhetorical, but yes |
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Post by vilepagan on Aug 16, 2021 11:51:37 GMT -8
You were expecting him to go on prime time to explain how his incompetence led to those people getting slaughtered while the world watched? I'd love to hear you explain how Biden's incompetence led to a "slaughter while the world watched"...what the hell are you going on about? |
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Post by SK80 on Aug 16, 2021 11:53:51 GMT -8
Help me out here... I don't think it was much of a trick to take a city like Kabul when the duly elected government AND the military had already left. no it was easy, thats the point. why so easy after 20 years and BILLIONS of re-enforcement and training. |
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