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Post by ProfessorFate on Dec 1, 2021 1:05:29 GMT -8
The district attorney's statement doesn't change anything. From the very first news story breaking, we knew the DA decided not to press charges on kid #2, because he considered it mutual combat. I got a kick out of those Monarch fans who thought this was a big deal...it isn't. They even talked on TOB about how somebody should sue the sportswriters. I'd love to hear what the sportswriters printed that wasn't true.
The fight was a stupid practice in the MD locker rooms. The injuries were serious, The failure (if true) to provide prompt treatment for kid #1 should bring shame upon the trainers, and the school administrators. Rollinson and Clare wouldn't talk to the police for months, as they tried to sweep it all under the rug. It's an ugly disgusting story, and it will cost Mater Dei and/or the Diocese big money, and their image continues to suffer the longer this goes on. Heads will need to roll.
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Post by Bick on Dec 1, 2021 8:22:08 GMT -8
I think using the words "hazing ritual" in a headline when referring to a catholic school is particularly incendiary. That fist fight was neither hazing nor a ritual, and you know I'm not a MD Homer.
When I first read the story, I thought P1 was on the ground getting pummeled. Nothing about this video looked like trading body shots, and P1 clearly looked like the aggressor.
With only a few blows even landing, I didn't see any blood at all that would support multiple facial cuts, and when P1 stopped, the fight ended.
As for getting ignored for 30 minutes before treatment, and getting told to delay telling the parents, we've only heard one side of that story.
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Post by thefrog on Dec 1, 2021 8:42:20 GMT -8
IMO, this whole thing is a big nothing burger.
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Post by MDDad on Dec 1, 2021 9:17:25 GMT -8
I'd love to hear what the sportswriters printed that wasn't true. This incident reminds me of every time a white cop allegedly shoots an unarmed black man. Predictably, certain parties jump right to the execution stage of the process, without waiting for the arrests, charges, trial and convictions. As to what the "reporters" got wrong: Whicker said Rollinson was 70. He's not. Whicker said Rollinson has 316 wins. That's wrong. Reid, Whicker and Plaschke all made it sound like Player 1 was getting assaulted while he was wanting to quit or on the ground helpless. That's wrong. All three made it sound like Player 1 was an unwilling participant in the lockerroom fight. He wasn't. All three contended a 50-pound weight advantage for Player 2. That's wrong. All three imply this happens all the time. It doesn't. All three used the inflammatory term "traumatic brain injury". The truth is that Player 1 suffered a mild concussion and participated in both the spring and fall seasons at his new school. All three make the point that Rollinson's stories don't match. One of those stories is alleged only from the father of Player 1 who is also filing the lawsuit. He has a vested interest in his version, and in court his story would be rejected as hearsay. None of the three mention that Player 1 was the first to start punching to the head. So before we lynch anybody, can we please wait for all the chips to fall? |
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Post by Bick on Dec 1, 2021 10:38:26 GMT -8
IDK Prof - seems like the DA agrees this is a BS story. Emphasis added was mine.
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Post by thefrog on Dec 1, 2021 11:41:52 GMT -8
I smell an ulterior motive
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Post by Credo on Dec 1, 2021 17:57:33 GMT -8
Latest statement from Mater Dei's President. In my view, this was never a legal issue; it's the civil lawsuit that's a much bigger problem looming over the school and the Diocese--and the negative publicity also reflects upon all Catholic high schools in SoCal.
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Post by Credo on Dec 1, 2021 20:27:24 GMT -8
They were expected to win it all this year--without any real competition--and this was reflected in the lack of elation by their fans following last Friday's game. It was almost as if winning the CIF title was more a relief than anything else. I beg to differ and so do the other MD supporters I know and associate with. On the contrary we were very elated. (I was at the game, and I'd hardly characterize the MD side as excited when the game was finished.)But keep hating and thinking we are not happy to win a championship. This one is extra special for two reasons, everybody so badly wanted MD to lose (and why do think that is?) and we raised the trophy after beating our biggest rival. And Mater Dei Goliath will win CIF again next year...and the year after that. When you are playing with a loaded all-star team that includes public school ringers from 400 miles away, that is a hollow accomplishment at best, my friend. I'd rather lose with our own kids than win with a bunch of mercenaries. Enjoy your championship--and your 40 point win against the sacrificial lamb from the north. Good luck getting more than eight games next season. No one in SoCal HSFB--including the casual fan who has no dog in the fight--has any respect for Mater Dei as an institution or its football program. They have no honor; they have no principles, outside of winning at all costs. And no amount of rings can erase that. |
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Post by Bick on Dec 1, 2021 20:37:32 GMT -8
You know I'm not a MD guy, so I hope I can be considered to have a modicum of objectivity when it comes to them.
What exactly have they done that's any different than what Servite has done in terms of hurting another program for their gain?
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Post by MDDad on Dec 1, 2021 22:46:18 GMT -8
I'd rather lose with our own kids than win with a bunch of mercenaries. I have to admit I got a chuckle out of that. When you bring in almost an entire national championship youth football team, some of whom had already decided on other schools, plus the heart of that team's coaching staff, at very steep tuition discounts (to put it diplomatically), is that "our own kids"? If so, what qualifies as mercenaries? Not even one, Credo?. Don't you think you might be a little over the top with that statement? |
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Post by ProfessorFate on Dec 1, 2021 23:05:38 GMT -8
I'd love to hear what the sportswriters printed that wasn't true. This incident reminds me of every time a white cop allegedly shoots an unarmed black man. Predictably, certain parties jump right to the execution stage of the process, without waiting for the arrests, charges, trial and convictions. As to what the "reporters" got wrong: Whicker said Rollinson was 70. He's not. Right, but not grounds to sue the reporter, which was my point.Whicker said Rollinson has 316 wins. That's wrong. Not grounds to sue the reporter.Reid, Whicker and Plaschke all made it sound like Player 1 was getting assaulted while he was wanting to quit or on the ground helpless. That's wrong. That's debatable. The attorney claims the final blow that probably caused the most damage was thrown after Player 1 stopped advancing and was holding is hands over his bloody face.All three made it sound like Player 1 was an unwilling participant in the lockerroom fight. He wasn't. Again, debatable...pressured by his peers?All three contended a 50-pound weight advantage for Player 2. That's wrong. Not grounds for a lawsuit.All three imply this happens all the time. It doesn't. Some say yes, some say no.All three used the inflammatory term "traumatic brain injury". The truth is that Player 1 suffered a mild concussion and participated in both the spring and fall seasons at his new school. Aren't all concussions a result of trauma?All three make the point that Rollinson's stories don't match. One of those stories is alleged only from the father of Player 1 who is also filing the lawsuit. He has a vested interest in his version, and in court his story would be rejected as hearsay. So player 1's father has been determined (by those with a vested interest in the denial), to be the liar here? Also, I don't believe something said by a defendant to a plaintiff qualifies as heresay, if it's testified to by said plaintiff, who has direct knowledge of the statement. Frog could tell me if I'm wrong.None of the three mention that Player 1 was the first to start punching to the head. Actually I thought I read one of the versions saying that a punch thrown by player 1 missed its mark and glanced off player 2's face, and was the first hit to the face.So before we lynch anybody, can we please wait for all the chips to fall? So, again, my point was that there is nothing to sue the reporter(s) over, and that the DA's statement doesn't really change much, if anything. The whole sordid affair is a huge stain on Mater Dei HS, and it won't go away just because the DA wrote a defense of his decision not to press charges. |
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Post by thefrog on Dec 2, 2021 6:28:13 GMT -8
Latest statement from Mater Dei's President. In my view, this was never a legal issue; it's the civil lawsuit that's a much bigger problem looming over the school and the Diocese--and the negative publicity also reflects upon all Catholic high schools in SoCal. Credo, they're going to have a tough time showing the second element of battery:
1. The defendant touched the plaintiff or cause the plaintiff to be touched with the intent to harm or offend him
2. The plaintiff did not consent to the touching
3. The plaintiff was harmed or offended by the defendant’s conduct
4. A reasonable person in plaintiff’s situation would have been offended by the touching.
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Post by ProfessorFate on Dec 6, 2021 1:21:51 GMT -8
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Post by thefrog on Dec 6, 2021 6:33:28 GMT -8
It's like these writers were never teenagers. It sucks to be on the recipient end, agreed, but give me a break.
I remember my sophomore year... someone put a piece of steak in the freshman's locker next to me over the weekend. Smelt like death on that following Monday.
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Post by SK80 on Dec 6, 2021 10:51:59 GMT -8
It's like these writers were never teenagers. It sucks to be on the recipient end, agreed, but give me a break. I remember my sophomore year... someone put a piece of steak in the freshman's locker next to me over the weekend. Smelt like death on that following Monday. Did it forever traumatize you to the point you could no longer enjoy a T-Bone.....  |
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