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Post by thefrog on May 26, 2022 6:58:47 GMT -8
I think it would be close to impossible to harden every target, but I think the most vulnerable, like schools and hospitals, should be the top priority and could be accomplished relatively easily. Maybe districts should stop wasting money on pensions and invest in security? These people simply don’t care. |
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Post by Bick on May 26, 2022 7:11:01 GMT -8
Ask any school personnel which is most likely to prevent a shooting... Security or more gun laws?
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Post by Bick on May 26, 2022 7:21:57 GMT -8
Interesting question that some psychologist might best answer.
If there was such a thing as morality index, I'd bet there would be a strong inverse correlation between the recent increase in gun related deaths and that index.
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Post by thefrog on May 26, 2022 8:33:35 GMT -8
Notoriety through the internet, more specifically, social media.
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Post by tarmac on May 26, 2022 8:37:49 GMT -8
I'm a huge proponent of the right to bear arms. However, a kid that just turned 18 shouldn't be able to walk into a gun shop and buy two military assault rifles. With that said, this country has been awash in guns for well over a century, yet mass shootings like this are a very recent phenomenon. Something else has rotted in this country making these kinds of events so commonplace. If a 18 year old to too immature to own a firearm then they are too immature to vote or go into the military. |
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Post by MDDad on May 26, 2022 8:54:32 GMT -8
If a 18 year old to too immature to own a firearm then they are too immature to vote or go into the military. I disagee. If an immature person votes stupid, nobody dies. And joining the military will not only mature him, but teach him a respect for firearms and their proper purpose. If he's a nutcase, he will wash out. |
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Post by SK80 on May 26, 2022 9:03:48 GMT -8
Looks like there's a misunderstanding. I'm suggesting active military be assigned to each school, not me with an AR-15 at home. You're right, I misunderstood. Sorry. But how will stationing a Marine at the entrance(s) of schools really help things? The lunatic with a semi-automatic rifle (happy now, SK?) can just go to a post office, a grocery store, a place of business, an apartment complex, an office building, a hotel, a city hall, a hospital or any other facility where there are people and carry out the same atrocity. By hardening schools, we are just shifting the problem to another site. If the solution is to harden all of them, suddenly those 40,000 Marines at Camp Pendleton aren't nearly enough. So basically in this argument nothing can be done except take away all weapons...? That same maniac could have simply walked into that classroom, pulled a rip cord to a bomb and killed twice as many. Semi-Auto is correct, actually sounds less frightening doesn't it? My point is to solve a problem you have to take down the rhetoric a level, in this case one of fact and honesty.., like calling the Florida "Parental Rights" bill the "Don't Say Gay" bill. Branded yet again by the media and the left in falsehood. MDDad, of all people you should know the differences of these assigned terms and descriptions as it was an Austrian whom is attributed to the name "Assault Rifle" or "Stermgewehr". History has it that the exact term “assault rifle” was given by Adolf Hitler. He insisted that instead of calling it Machinenpistole (German for submachine gun), it should be called Sturmgewehr, which is German for assault rifle. It made for more interesting propaganda copy because it was more abrupt, scarier, and unique. None of the rest of the world had any yet, so it was something else that set his empire apart. It caught on so quickly that the first mass-produced assault rifle was called the Sturmgewehr 44, or the StG 44. When you read the analogy or conclusion I hi lighted BOLD it sounds familiar all over again.... |
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Post by MDDad on May 26, 2022 9:14:52 GMT -8
So basically in this argument nothing can be done except take away all weapons...? That same maniac could have simply walked into that classroom, pulled a rip cord to a bomb and killed twice as many. With respect, SK, that's a silly conclusion to jump to. There are more than two extreme solutions to a very complex problem. If a guy has a broken leg, you don't just give him Aspirin to mask the pain, just as you don't just jump to cutting off his leg. There is something sick and broken in this country that wasn't sick and broken 20 years ago, and we aren't working to figure out what it is. |
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Post by SK80 on May 26, 2022 12:01:45 GMT -8
So basically in this argument nothing can be done except take away all weapons...? That same maniac could have simply walked into that classroom, pulled a rip cord to a bomb and killed twice as many. With respect, SK, that's a silly conclusion to jump to. There are more than two extreme solutions to a very complex problem. If a guy has a broken leg, you don't just give him Aspirin to mask the pain, just as you don't just jump to cutting off his leg. There is something sick and broken in this country that wasn't sick and broken 20 years ago, and we aren't working to figure out what it is.Exactly my sentiment. Once the emotions settle a bit I think we will all mostly agree "something" needs to be addressed, done. Like most things we share the end game just the path to it doesn't always coalesce. If you go back and look at the Ted Cruz bill from 2013 I think thats a great place to start. Read it, its working from where we are and going up, not top down with all the ban guns, gun regulation, gun control rhetorical lip service. Start at the root not the foliage. |
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Post by MDDad on May 26, 2022 12:13:08 GMT -8
That's what is so frustrating to me. Whenever there's a shooting, the left immediately calls for more gun control legislation, without ever proposing any specifics of what that legislation should entail. They just want us to "do something", as though any action is better than none. The fact is that criminals and psychos don't care how many gun control laws there are or what they say. I read today that there are 20 million AR-15's in the United States, so everyone who wants one can get one, especially illegally.
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Post by tarmac on May 26, 2022 13:11:46 GMT -8
www.nhtsa.gov/risky-driving/drunk-drivingEvery day, about 32 people in the United States die in drunk-driving crashes — that's one person every 45 minutes. In 2020, 11,654 people died in alcohol-impaired driving traffic deaths — a 14% increase from 2019. These deaths were all preventable.
Should we ban booze? Ban cars? Close all the bars? Stop selling alcohol in grocery stores? Should we make driving drunk illegal?
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Post by MDDad on May 26, 2022 13:29:19 GMT -8
Should we ban booze? Ban cars? Close all the bars? Stop selling alcohol in grocery stores? Should we make driving drunk illegal? All those actions would only absolve the drunk driver of accountability and responsibility. Despite all the lofty rhetoric, we can't ever completely eliminate problems like this. Guys like Al Capone or Vito Corleone will always meet the demand through the black market. So how about: (1) If a person is pulled over and found to be drunk, it's a year in jail. (2) If a person is involved in a non-injury accident while drunk, it's five years in prison. (3) If a person is involved in an injury accident while drunk, it's ten years in prison. (4) If a person is involved in a fatal accident while drunk, it's life in prison with no possibiity of parole. The same rationale could be applied to firearms: (1) If a person is found to be in possession of an illegal or unregistered firearm, it's ten years in prison. (2) If a person is convicted of a felony while in possession of a firearm, whether or not he brandishes, aims or uses it, it's life in prison with no possibility of parole. These kinds of measures may seem extreme, but it comes down to whether or not we are serious about reducing the carnage. It will never stop the psycho who wants to blow away a classroom of kids to become some kind of martyr or media darling, but it would certainly drive down the overall numbers. |
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Post by SK80 on May 26, 2022 15:18:32 GMT -8
The same rationale could be applied to firearms: (1) If a person is found to be in possession of an illegal or unregistered firearm, it's ten years in prison. (2) If a person is convicted of a felony while in possession of a firearm, whether or not he brandishes, aims or uses it, it's life in prison with no possibility of parole. These kinds of measures may seem extreme, but it comes down to whether or not we are serious about reducing the carnage. It will never stop the psycho who wants to blow away a classroom of kids to become some kind of martyr or media darling, but it would certainly drive down the overall numbers. I'm all in on tough love (prison type) but the left won't hand down these sentences if this is by state... can you imagine what one crime sentence would be in LA or SF CA vs one handed down in Oklahoma or Alabama?? A 10 year sentence in Gascon's LA would garner 1 year sentence or a wrist slapping..., unless a Federal law could Trump all of that... useless like most laws in so many states... |
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Post by SK80 on May 26, 2022 15:19:51 GMT -8
That's what is so frustrating to me. Whenever there's a shooting, the left immediately calls for more gun control legislation, without ever proposing any specifics of what that legislation should entail. They just want us to "do something", as though any action is better than none. The fact is that criminals and psychos don't care how many gun control laws there are or what they say. I read today that there are 20 million AR-15's in the United States, so everyone who wants one can get one, especially illegally. This reminds me when we were kids and my "friends" would get busted for pot by their parents, mom or dad flushes the baggie down the toilet thinking son can't smoke weed now or actually manage to get more.... outside an hour.... SCORE! |
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Post by tarmac on Jun 14, 2022 6:59:10 GMT -8
If a 18 year old to too immature to own a firearm then they are too immature to vote or go into the military. I disagee. If an immature person votes stupid, nobody dies. And joining the military will not only mature him, but teach him a respect for firearms and their proper purpose. If he's a nutcase, he will wash out. |
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