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Post by Bick on Oct 29, 2022 20:09:09 GMT -8
There's been a lot of talk over the years about what private schools offer, both officially and unofficially ove..r the years, and their advantages over publics.
There's a few of you here, so if you don't mind, I think this might be a good spot to get it from the horse's mouth so we can dispell all the BS speculation.
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Post by outofstate on Oct 30, 2022 4:13:51 GMT -8
There's been a lot of talk over the years about what private schools offer, both officially and unofficially ove..r the years, and their advantages over publics. There's a few of you here, so if you don't mind, I think this might be a good spot to get it from the horse's mouth so we can dispell all the BS speculation. For most people it is a personal family choice. My siblings and I went to MD almost 40 years ago. Most of my friends from grade school went to MD. I am not sure what ‘advantages’ you refer to. I could have received an equal education at my local public school. I will say that private schools have stronger and farther reaching alumni networks. I have more connection and activity with the MD alumni network than I do with my college alumni. Regarding athletics, I played sports at MD but that is not why I went there.
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Post by SK80 on Oct 30, 2022 8:41:45 GMT -8
In regards to education or sports @bick?
& what B.S. speculation? This is in the "High School Sport" section.....
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Post by Bick on Oct 30, 2022 12:08:08 GMT -8
Sports. The speculation regarding recruiting, scholarship and other inducements as compared to the requirements that (if) students should be of a faith.
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Post by MDDad on Oct 30, 2022 12:50:41 GMT -8
Bick, as you might imagine, after 21 seasons of working in a sports program at a private school, there is a lot I could contribute to this subject. However, I've learned the hard way many times that everyone who posts on forums like this will never be convinced to believe anything other than what they want to believe. So, with respect, I think I'll abstain.
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Post by Bick on Oct 30, 2022 17:16:32 GMT -8
You're exactly who I'd hope would comment.
Same with Credo.
Never found a civil dialogue about this, and I've had civil conversations with you both. I'm happy to discuss all the perks public schools can offer.
At Los Al, you get a co-ed education at a school in a pretty decent area.
As for football, you get a coaching staff that works their collective asses off to prepare for each game, a few alternate jersey combinations, and a lot of exposure to college scouts.
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Post by Credo on Oct 30, 2022 18:10:39 GMT -8
I think a better title for this thread would be "Public v. Private Schools" but I will be happy to contribute, having been a fulltime teacher of Theology at two Catholic schools over the past 17 years.
Grading assignments tonight and writing Letters of Recommendation for colleges, so I'll have to get back to this later.
BTW, Bick and I have recently been engaging in a spirited but respectful dialogue on this topic via Twitter, so I hope this is a good place to continue.
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Post by MDDad on Oct 30, 2022 18:31:50 GMT -8
At Los Al, you get a co-ed education at a school in a pretty decent area. As for football, you get a coaching staff that works their collective asses off to prepare for each game, a few alternate jersey combinations, and a lot of exposure to college scouts. But many private schools offer those things as well, so that is not a generic advantage offered by public schools, right? Here are the primary differences as I see them: (1) Public schools have to accept every Tom, Dick and Harry who lives in their enrollment boundaries, good or bad. Privates don't (2) Private schools can kick out the troublemakers. Publics can't. (3) Private schools have no enrollment boundaries. Publics do. (4) Public schools don't charge tuition. Privates do.
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Post by Bick on Oct 30, 2022 21:26:22 GMT -8
Do privates have minimum requirements academically, and are the kids supposed to be of faith?
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Post by ProfessorFate on Oct 30, 2022 21:27:29 GMT -8
One of my pet peeves, is that Catholic schools should be for Catholic students. Catholic school athletics should be for Catholic student-athletes. It was that way when I attended Servite, and it worked then, so it could work now (although I know the schools won't go back to that).
There are tens of thousands of Non-Catholic athletes out there, so limiting Catholic schools to Catholic student-athletes, in my mind, was a fair trade-off for having no boundaries. If that meant Mater Dei or Bosco could no longer win MNCs, oh well.
But now since that trade-off is no longer there, Catholic schools have an unfair advantage over public schools and should therefore be separated.
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Post by ProfessorFate on Oct 30, 2022 21:39:04 GMT -8
For most people it is a personal family choice. My siblings and I went to MD almost 40 years ago. Most of my friends from grade school went to MD. I am not sure what ‘advantages’ you refer to. I could have received an equal education at my local public school. I will say that private schools have stronger and farther reaching alumni networks. I have more connection and activity with the MD alumni network than I do with my college alumni. Regarding athletics, I played sports at MD but that is not why I went there.Yes, same with me. In many instances, the announcement would come over the intercom, stating that the ______ team was having tryouts after school next week, and anyone interested should come out for the team. In some cases guys hadn't even thought about it until they heard that/those announcement(s).
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Post by Bick on Oct 31, 2022 7:10:56 GMT -8
One of my pet peeves, is that Catholic schools should be for Catholic students. Catholic school athletics should be for Catholic student-athletes. It was that way when I attended Servite, and it worked then, so it could work now (although I know the schools won't go back to that). There are tens of thousands of Non-Catholic athletes out there, so limiting Catholic schools to Catholic student-athletes, in my mind, was a fair trade-off for having no boundaries. If that meant Mater Dei or Bosco could no longer win MNCs, oh well. But now since that trade-off is no longer there, Catholic schools have an unfair advantage over public schools and should therefore be separated. Grew up Catholic and went to St Anthony's in 9th grade after attending St Pancratius elementary school. Every kid I knew at SAHS came from another parish elementary school. Because I lived in Lakewood, my choices were Bosco (all boys and uniforms), or SA, co-ed and no unis. Both were miles away from home, so I get the no geographic boundary issue. When did the rules change, or have they? But you're right... To have no geographic boundary AND no faith requirement is a pretty big advantage to schools that do have those rules.
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Post by MDDad on Oct 31, 2022 8:07:02 GMT -8
To have no geographic boundary AND no faith requirement is a pretty big advantage to schools that do have those rules. I agree. That's a major advantage. But is it not also a major advantage when publics offer everyone free tuition while privates charge for tuition, sports participation, books, uniforms and iPads?
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Post by SK80 on Oct 31, 2022 8:11:59 GMT -8
Yes, same with me. In many instances, the announcement would come over the intercom, stating that the ______ team was having tryouts after school next week, and anyone interested should come out for the team. In some cases guys hadn't even thought about it until they heard that/those announcement(s). Great post P. Fate, how times have changed from that..., I experienced that same thing starting in Jr HS when they posted in the gym "Track Tryouts" next Monday. Almost every guy at school thought to himself am I fast or strong enough? Is he faster or stronger than I? Can he run or jump further, throw farther? Until that Monday came, no one really was sure or had a clue. That day came, and I found out, somewhat a surprise, II was the second fastest kid at school in the 100 & 220 and by far the best at 440. From this day I embraced running and ran for my High School Track & Cross Country teams winning two Silver Medals in Distant Medley events at the Tustin and Long Beach relays, two of the most coveted events at the time. I cherish those medals and those guys, my team. Again, my point is maybe aimed at the randomness of that time in regards to high school team sports, it was completely random, or in the least my memory and experience tells me so.
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Post by SK80 on Oct 31, 2022 8:16:13 GMT -8
To have no geographic boundary AND no faith requirement is a pretty big advantage to schools that do have those rules. I agree. That's a major advantage. But is it not also a major advantage when publics offer everyone free tuition while privates charge for tuition, sports participation, books, uniforms and iPads? free tuition or funds for pension obligations? you often use this line but if you really saw what funding goes to the kids in public school you would take a different look at that statement. By the way, it's getting even worse, public schools are losing money to charters, privates, home schooling, leaving state and so on. But that a conversation for another thread!
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