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Post by MDDad on Jan 28, 2020 9:32:37 GMT -8
I'm confused. Are you implying that anyone who's skeptical of the stuff on Breitbart and WND is a "liberal imbecile"? I've always thought there was a pretty wide middle ground.
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Post by davidsf on Jan 28, 2020 10:23:54 GMT -8
@ctrips... I never mind your opines and usually agree.., but a few paragraphs copied from an article will suffice and support your personal take, copy/paste an entire article or journal takes up my entire screen as well as adds many a page to each thread.... may I suggest a paragraph or two, a quote and a LINK! I agree. One paragraph or two should be enough to supports one's position. I'd also politely add that consistently quoting articles from far-right conspiracy sites like Breitbart and WND is not much more believable than quoting Looney Tunes. I do constrain my posts showing WND type blogs and, when I do cite them, or any unknown blogger as well, I try to point out I cannot verify the information. that said, however, all sources are valid so long as we are all being vigilant to draw out the facts from the muddle. |
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Post by SK80 on Jan 28, 2020 10:42:01 GMT -8
I think what MDDad was proclaiming is that Breibart and WND are far right outlets and most anything posted from them is something in a way one would expect or already knows or understands. When a news story breaks that good for the right I always go to Google, click news or Yahoo just to see whom or what outlets has stories... usually its the obvious and more than not any of the mainstreamers.... so in essence copy/paste or quoting those two right ideology presses is like almost discounted by many and even some whom agree whole heartedly on their take. I also have to say that those outlets I come across and have already likely read.
One of the biggest arguments today in America is how people of each divide go to, use their "conformation" outlets as gospel. I think MDDad was also trying to say that.....
Wait, I'm speaking for another.... maybe I'm speaking for myself!
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Post by davidsf on Jan 28, 2020 13:41:54 GMT -8
I think what MDDad was proclaiming is that Breibart and WND are far right outlets and most anything posted from them is something in a way one would expect or already knows or understands. When a news story breaks that good for the right I always go to Google, click news or Yahoo just to see whom or what outlets has stories... usually its the obvious and more than not any of the mainstreamers.... so in essence copy/paste or quoting those two right ideology presses is like almost discounted by many and even some whom agree whole heartedly on their take. I also have to say that those outlets I come across and have already likely read. One of the biggest arguments today in America is how people of each divide go to, use their "conformation" outlets as gospel. I think MDDad was also trying to say that..... Wait, I'm speaking for another.... maybe I'm speaking for myself! I often find something different than you: not always, but frequently enough to notice a pattern (as you say, “that I already knew”) I will see a story on, say, PJ Media or maybe Breitbart, go to Duck DuckGo (search engine that doesn’t skew my results like Google does) to look it up, only to find no one covering it, definitely no one in the mainstream media. So, my options are to post what I es found and rely the rest of us here to do their due diligence, or Jus keep it to myself. between those two options, I’d say I’m running 70% toward the former. |
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Post by ProfessorFate on Jan 28, 2020 13:58:27 GMT -8
I think what MDDad was proclaiming is that Breibart and WND are far right outlets and most anything posted from them is something in a way one would expect or already knows or understands. When a news story breaks that good for the right I always go to Google, click news or Yahoo just to see whom or what outlets has stories... usually its the obvious and more than not any of the mainstreamers.... so in essence copy/paste or quoting those two right ideology presses is like almost discounted by many and even some whom agree whole heartedly on their take. I also have to say that those outlets I come across and have already likely read. One of the biggest arguments today in America is how people of each divide go to, use their "conformation" outlets as gospel. I think MDDad was also trying to say that..... Wait, I'm speaking for another.... maybe I'm speaking for myself! I often find something different than you: not always, but frequently enough to notice a pattern (as you say, “that I already knew”) I will see a story on, say, PJ Media or maybe Breitbart, go to Duck DuckGo (search engine that doesn’t skew my results like Google does) to look it up, only to find no one covering it, definitely no one in the mainstream media. So, my options are to post what I es found and rely the rest of us here to do their due diligence, or Jus keep it to myself.between those two options, I’d say I’m running 70% toward the former. Exactly...I even had JQP step in to defend my use of such a site. He basically told Fordama, that rather than criticizing my source (which was shown to be accurate on the contested story), he should instead be concerned with why the MSMedia failed to report it. |
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Post by MDDad on Jan 28, 2020 14:42:34 GMT -8
Look, I agree that sometimes there may be a kernel of truth in what is written on those sites. Just as sometimes you can find a mountain of horse crap with a pony in the middle. There are probably kernels of truth in Looney Tunes cartoons as well. But I wouldn't quote Porky Pig or Elmer Fudd a half dozen times a day to try to stir the pot and raise this site's temperature.
When I left TOB, I was attracted to join this forum because the original members were intelligent enough and articulate enough to convey their positions and defend them in reasoned debate. Nobody needed to post articles from whack-job sites to support what they were saying. I told myself on the day I joined that if this site became a mirror-image of TOB, it would be time to start looking around again. I think we're drifting in that direction, and I'm just sorry to see it happening.
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Post by coach on Jan 28, 2020 16:42:55 GMT -8
OK, somebody has to say it. It may lower the level of discourse on this forum, but Ilhan Omar is a piece of crap. You are giving pieces of crap a bad name. |
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Post by davidsf on Jan 28, 2020 18:09:34 GMT -8
Look, I agree that sometimes there may be a kernel of truth in what is written on those sites. Just as sometimes you can find a mountain of horse crap with a pony in the middle. There are probably kernels of truth in Looney Tunes cartoons as well. But I wouldn't quote Porky Pig or Elmer Fudd a half dozen times a day to try to stir the pot and raise this site's temperature. When I left TOB, I was attracted to join this forum because the original members were intelligent enough and articulate enough to convey their positions and defend them in reasoned debate. Nobody needed to post articles from whack-job sites to support what they were saying. I told myself on the day I joined that if this site became a mirror-image of TOB, it would be time to start looking around again. I think we're drifting in that direction, and I'm just sorry to see it happening. I disagree with your disparagement of World Net Daily and Breitbart as “whack-job sites.” truth is truth, regardless of where you find it, although some truth might be disguised more cleverly. i recall Ford ama, in particular, calling the Bible “a bunch of fairy tales.” |
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Post by Credo on Jan 28, 2020 19:20:10 GMT -8
@ctrips... I never mind your opines and usually agree.., but a few paragraphs copied from an article will suffice and support your personal take, copy/paste an entire article or journal takes up my entire screen as well as adds many a page to each thread.... may I suggest a paragraph or two, a quote and a LINK! I agree. One paragraph or two should be enough to supports one's position. I'd also politely add that consistently quoting articles from far-right conspiracy sites like Breitbart and WND is not much more believable than quoting Looney Tunes. While I agree with avoiding lengthy quotes, I have to disagree with your characterization of Breitbart and WND as "conspiracy" sites. True, they are on the far right, but are usually more accurate than CNN or the New York Times when it comes to many issues. I don't personally read them (used to read WND many years ago when I first encountered the conservative side of the web) but respect the fact they provide a perspective not given voice by the MSM. The reporting in the stories from those sites that have been quoted here are backed up by facts. Heck, if we could tolerate VP.... |
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Post by Bick on Jan 28, 2020 19:51:38 GMT -8
What's unfortunate is that we have to debate the credibly of "news" outlets, be it WND, Breitbart, Drudge, WaPo, Huffpo, NYT, LAT, CNN, ABC, MSNBC, CBS, or even the OCR.
I don't know about you, MDD, but I can't endorse ANY as being even close to singularly credible. It's a real pain in the ass to have to read 3-4 accounts of the same damn story to have a modicum of confidence I've got a reasonable handle on the truth.
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Post by RSM789 on Jan 28, 2020 20:51:01 GMT -8
...far-right conspiracy sites like Breitbart... What do you base that accusation on? And I would suggest avoiding a response along the lines of "my eyes" or "my ability to read" because Breitbart, while proudly right leaning, is far from a conspiracy site. They have NY Post style headlines and are willing to stick the knife of sarcasm into liberals and twist, but the information they report is factual. If you really believe it is a conspiracy site, I'd doubt you have read it more than twice in your life. I understand if it isn't your cup or tea (or should I say middle-of-the-road milquetoast), but you don't get any brownie points from the left by bashing websites on the right. |
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Post by Bick on Jan 28, 2020 21:24:18 GMT -8
RSM - none of them have journalistic integrity we can count on. Knowing this, it really is like looking for a carrot up Bugs Bunny's butt to find that kernel of truth.
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Post by RSM789 on Jan 28, 2020 22:43:40 GMT -8
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Post by captaintrips on Jan 29, 2020 6:47:17 GMT -8
Who whines & bitches about sources of information and why do they do so ? It's liberals that whine & bitch about them, because they don't like the information presented. If we're not liberal imbeciles, rather than grunt, piss & fart about what sources of information are used, we will point out the innaccuracies in the information provided. Are we phony conservatives like these childish men - www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/01/what_that_cnn_clip_of_don_lemon_rick_wilson_and_wajahat_ali_tells_us_about_the_election_ahead.htmlRick Wilson bills himself as a Republican strategist but he has long been a vicious anti-Trump hysteric.... we now all know who the phony conservatives were and are. Their objections to Trump are to him personally, the fact that he is not one of them. This club of self-appointed super-elite elites simply cannot abide a clever fox in their henhouse. They are a pathetic bunch of whiners, but not all of them are as cluelessly vicious as Rick Wilson....What we saw on that CNN clip of Lemon and Wilson isn't shocking, the underlying attitudes are the norm on that network as it is on MSNBC as well. The big three networks are very nearly on the same page.
Most parents, at least of a certain age, tried to raise their offspring to be good citizens -- honest, respectful, polite, compassionate, and good. But the Rick Wilsons, Don Lemons, Lawrence O'Donnell's, the Chris Matthews, Jimmy Kimmels, Samantha Bees, and Rosie O'Donnells, represent an entirely different model of parenting. They are all bullies, playground bullies. Rick Wilson, Don Lemon and Wajahat Ali's brand of bitter mockery has been nearly wholly the province of the Left. That Trump has adopted some of their tactics is why his supporters love him. No other Republican has ever deigned to respond to the left's derision of conservatives in kind. It was about time.ALL information sources say incorrect things at times. Point them out ! Don't be a baby and say; " Stop showing me that, it makes me mad !!" Or do we want to be like Rick Wilson, Don Lemon and Wajahat Ali ? .. liberal imbeciles |
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Post by Bick on Jan 29, 2020 6:53:04 GMT -8
RSM - I'm not disagreeing that it's factual.
But doesn't it seem like it's written to appeal to the mosh pit crowd in the comment section in the same way the CNN's & MSNBC's write headlines and stories that appeal to their readers?
Entertainment is bashing the other side, and that's what they're all doing any more. True journalistic integrity, like true friendships, is saying what needs to be said, instead of what wants to be heard.
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