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Post by Bick on Jan 29, 2020 7:01:42 GMT -8
Trips...fair enough. But color me skeptical when I see those sources you quote. Funny thing is, I do often agree with the opinions of the writers there. Lately, however, I question my own objectivity when I'm reading them.
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Credo
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Post by Credo on Jan 29, 2020 9:00:12 GMT -8
RSM - I'm not disagreeing that it's factual. But doesn't it seem like it's written to appeal to the mosh pit crowd in the comment section in the same way the CNN's & MSNBC's write headlines and stories that appeal to their readers? Entertainment is bashing the other side, and that's what they're all doing any more. True journalistic integrity, like true friendships, is saying what needs to be said, instead of what wants to be heard. The far-right or far-left sites in question do not claim to be pure news sites (if such a thing even exists anymore). I would consider them to be opinion sites--or advocacy sites--but with this important caveat: their opinions are grounded in their interpretation of facts. Their credibility--even with their own readers--rests upon supporting those opinion with real information. To the extent that those opinions are based on falsehoods and reckless speculation they lose credibility and readership/viewership, as we can see with CNN and MSNBC over the past few years. On the HSFB side I've often been accused of taking a holier-than-thou position vis-a-vis the Evil Empires of Santa Ana and Bellflower, which is a fair criticism. I think the same applies to those who want to claim to be non-partisan, or at least to be uncomfortable with extreme partisanship. Everybody has their bias and perspective. As long as they bring evidence, reason, and respect to the table I have no problem with any opinion. What I won't abide are people like you-know-who who engage in vicious personal attacks. No one else here does that, which make this site a good place to be.
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Post by davidsf on Jan 29, 2020 9:13:25 GMT -8
I was just having this same argument over on Facebook.
Someone posted an article (rightly) excoriating our governor for signing legislation authorizing illegals to apply for and receive MAP (education) grants for college. [**Note, our state is broke, deeply in debt, over-taxed, and a public employees pension deficit that would choke a horse]
Rather than discuss the merits of His Eminent Rotundary’s actions, a few people rejected the article as being from a “hate group” and, because the article used the terms “illegal” and “transgender,” dismissed the article for using “inflammatory language.”
My argument, which fell on deaf ears, was, the source is not as important as the information. Quit hiding behind your faux offense and discuss the merits of the content.
But, of course, they would not.
As someone already said, we put up with crap from vile-boy: These sources, biased though they are, at least do contain SOME valid information.
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Post by captaintrips on Jan 29, 2020 9:22:48 GMT -8
Some of us can stop crying about "the source" & get back to the real story What the subject of this thread was Never-mind "the source" - let us comment on the information provided by it -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Maybe this disgusting omar creatures time is up ? We can hope. We can hope Americans learned something too ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- FBI probing Ilhan Omar's marriage to her own 'brother'Somalia-born Congress member suspected of immigration fraud
The FBI is reviewing evidence that U.S. Rep. Ilhan Omar, D- Minn., married her own brother in an immigration-fraud scheme.
The New York Post reported two FBI agents met in mid-October in Minnesota with a concerned party who handed over documents regarding Omar's 2009 marriage to Ahmed Nur Said Elmi, according to a source with knowledge of the meeting.
Investigative reporter David Steinberg, who has reported over the last two years compelling evidence that Omar married her brother, reported Jan. 16 that the FBI is among three agencies reviewing the case.
The others are the Department of Education Office of Inspector General and the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency.
Steinberg wrote that Minnesota state Rep. Steve Drazkowski, a Republican, filed a complaint on the matter with the Minnesota District of the Department of Justice. The DOJ office, led by a Trump appointee, U.S. Attorney Erica MacDonald, directed the FBI to review the complaint. An FBI special agent met with Drazkowski and others in mid-October, Steinberg said, to receive a prepared file of evidence and related information. The FBI has taken additional steps since the October meeting, wrote Steinberg.
He said the FBI then shared the information with other agencies.
The Post reported the discussion in the October meeting included concerns that Omar, who immigrated from Somalia, married Elmi, a British citizen rumored to be her brother, so he could obtain a green card and study in the United States.
The Post pointed out that if Omar did marry her brother, she could be found guilty of committing marriage fraud, a felony punishable with a prison sentence of up to five years and a fine of up to $250,000.
She has repeatedly called the allegations "disgusting lies."
In October, she filed for divorce from husband Ahmed Hirsi after the Post reported she was accused of having an affair with a consultant her campaign hired, Tim Mynett. Mynett's wife, Beth, made the accusation in a divorce complaint.
Hirsi, the father of Omar's three children, remarried just 37 days after their divorce was finalized in November.
Records show Omar and Hirsi were engaged in 2002 and united in a Muslim ceremony but never were legally married. They had two children then "split" in 2008. The next year, Omar married Elmi.
Allegations that Elmi is Omar's brother emerged in 2016 in a since-deleted post to the Somali Spot message board by a user named AbdiJohnson. Power Line blogger Scott Johnson reported the claim, which later was repeated by President Trump, the Post said.
Omar and Elmi split in 2011, and Omar returned to Hirsi, and their third child was born in 2012.
However, Omar divorce Elmi until 2017.
DailyMail.com reported the findings from the FBI will be shared with Immigration and Customs Enforcement and the U.S. Department of Education."
DailyMail.com reported key dates: Omar married Hirsi in 2002 in a religious ceremony. They separated in 2008 but there was no legal divorce. She married Elmi in 2009. They all lived together while Elmi enrolled at North Dakota State.
Then in 2011, Omar says she and Elmi split up and he went back to the U.K. She returned to Hirsi, and a third child was born.
In 2013, Elmi started working in London and Omar divorced him in 2017, then married Hirsi. In 2019, they separated and there were reports of her relationship with married aide Tim Mynett.
Then Mynett's wife divorced him, citing his relationship with Omar.
Steinberg, Power Line's Johnson and investigative reporter Preya Samsundar have published over the past three years substantial evidence that Omar married her brother to defraud U.S. immigration and perjured herself eight times in her divorce statement.
A Minnesota state agency has fined her for filing joint tax returns with Hirsi while she was legally married to Elmi.
In July, WND reported the watchdog group Judicial Watch filed a House Ethics complaint against Omar calling for a congressional investigation of allegations of perjury, immigration fraud, marriage fraud, state and federal tax fraud and federal student loan fraud.
"The evidence is overwhelming Rep. Omar may have violated the law and House rules," said Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton in July. "The House of Representatives must urgently investigate and resolve the serious allegations of wrongdoing by Rep. Omar."
The findings of Steinberg, Samsundar and Johnson, Judicial Watch said, are "supported by information gathered from public records, social media postings, genealogy databases, computer forensic analysis, unaltered digital photographs, discussions between the investigative reporters and the subjects of the investigation themselves, and information supplied by confidential sources within the Somali-American community."
In her application for divorce in 2017, she swore under penalty of perjury, among that, other things, she had had no contact with Elmi after June 2011 and didn't know where to find him.
However, evidence, including now deleted social media posts, compiled by Steinberg and others indicates she not only had contact with Elmi but also met with him.
The apparent immigration fraud scheme, Judicial Watch said, also may have helped Elmi obtain federally backed student loans for his attendance at North Dakota State University.
State of Minnesota Campaign Finance and Public Disclosure Board already has determined that Omar violated state campaign finance laws for improper use of campaign funds. She was forced to reimburse her campaign thousands of dollars.
More significantly, Judicial Watch said, the board discovered she filed joint tax returns with Hirsi in 2014 and 2015 while she was legally married to Ahmed Elmi.
In court filings, Mynett's now ex-wife said he had told her that he was in love with the Minnesota congresswoman. She said the marriage collapsed when he announced he was "romantically involved with and in love with another woman, Ilhan Omar." www.wnd.com/2020/01/fbi-probing-ilhan-omars-marriage-brother/I was just having this same argument over on Facebook. Someone posted an article (rightly) excoriating our governor for signing legislation authorizing illegals to apply for and receive MAP (education) grants for college. [**Note, our state is broke, deeply in debt, over-taxed, and a public employees pension deficit that would choke a horse] Rather than discuss the merits of His Eminent Rotundary’s actions, a few people rejected the article as being from a “hate group” and, because the article used the terms “illegal” and “transgender,” dismissed the article for using “inflammatory language.” My argument, which fell on deaf ears, was, the source is not as important as the information. Quit hiding behind your faux offense and discuss the merits of the content. But, of course, they would not. As someone already said, we put up with crap from vile-boy: These sources, biased though they are, at least do contain SOME valid information. ALL sources are biased and ALL MAY contain some good information... as well as some bad information If we're too weak minded to be able to find & separate good information from bad . . . . .
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Post by Bick on Jan 29, 2020 13:45:44 GMT -8
C'mon Trips... Enough with the weak minded, imbeciles, or whatever pejorative crap. You made your point
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Post by SK80 on Jan 29, 2020 16:20:40 GMT -8
Dude u r killing me with more of this entire article cut & paste.
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Post by davidsf on Jan 29, 2020 20:37:25 GMT -8
Dude u r killing me with more of this entire article cut & paste. Come on, Cap’n... I was with you over there when you had to do that, but this isn’t that: Please stop posting entire articles.
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Credo
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Post by Credo on Mar 18, 2020 17:31:10 GMT -8
What a perfectly titled book.
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Post by vilepagan on Mar 19, 2020 4:16:18 GMT -8
So you think the following story reported by Brietbart is factual? "Planned Parenthood Teams up with Satanists to Promote Abortion in Missouri" archive.is/NM7sQYour sources suck and your ability to discern truth from fiction is suspect.
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Post by RSM789 on Mar 19, 2020 10:00:52 GMT -8
Your sources suck and your ability to discern truth from fiction is suspect. Well, if that is the case, you should probably have my sources over for dinner... How in the world did they become "my sources"? You are now an expert on my abilities? What a tool you are, a left handed, limp tool. Off to the Mosh pit we go!!
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Post by ProfessorFate on Mar 19, 2020 15:02:47 GMT -8
So you think the following story reported by Brietbart is factual? "Planned Parenthood Teams up with Satanists to Promote Abortion in Missouri" archive.is/NM7sQYour sources suck and your ability to discern truth from fiction is suspect. How about ABC News? How about AP? The only dispute is over the term "teams up." They were separate lawsuits against some of the same aspects of the same Missouri law.
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Post by vilepagan on Mar 20, 2020 10:06:20 GMT -8
How about not changing the subject? Do you think the story from Breitbart was accurate?
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Post by vilepagan on Mar 20, 2020 10:07:47 GMT -8
That's as much honesty as I expected. You've got nothing but middle-school taunts. How proud you must be.
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Post by davidsf on Dec 15, 2021 12:52:42 GMT -8
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