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Post by outofstate on Feb 23, 2024 17:06:18 GMT -8
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Post by ProfessorFate on Feb 23, 2024 23:28:17 GMT -8
Why, for Heaven's sake. Don't these transfers do any research to see what other QBs (in this case) are already on the roster?
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Post by outofstate on Feb 24, 2024 4:38:19 GMT -8
Why, for Heaven's sake. Don't these transfers do any research to see what other QBs (in this case) are already on the roster? Agreed. This is ridiculous. And I say this as a MD homer and booster. Reading things like this are upsetting. Perhaps this kid has personal circumstances that make his move to MD warranted. But who are we kidding! This is nothing more than a senior mercenary. Now the QB room is very crowded. Perhaps Furian Inferrera is not as good as all the talent assessors say he is. I have no idea. A great scenario for me is that Inferrera (or Toki) legitimately beats this guy out in the QB competition and he ends up with his ass on the bench all season. I just want to see something to discourage this crap. |
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Post by tarmac on Feb 27, 2024 8:46:58 GMT -8
Any movement before a kid's freshman year is not a transfer per CIF rules. But 99% of public schools still require a family to live in their enrollment area in order for their son to attend the school (unless the parents are employees of the school - a loophole that Mission Viejo has used for two decades). Those that don't enforce enrollment area rules could almost be called private schools with free tuition.  |
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Post by MDDad on Feb 27, 2024 9:13:54 GMT -8
I remember the Mission Viejo 4H club farm. Shocking how many football players from other schools wanted to raise goats. I would be interested in hearing how many of those star football players who came to Mission Viejo for the farm program actually became farmers after their college careers were over. Or how many turned down college scholarships to get their hands dirty and work the land instead. |
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Post by MDDad on Feb 27, 2024 15:50:03 GMT -8
Why, for Heaven's sake. Don't these transfers do any research to see what other QBs (in this case) are already on the roster? Yes, they do. The cold new reality in this age of social media and the internet is that every good player in the country knows exactly what positions are open and what the needs are at every good program in the country. This is a good kid with a 4.0 GPA and great parents, so I can assure you they did their research. It's widely accepted that the best high school football in the country, week in and week out, is played in the Trinity League. However, Orange Lutheran returns senior 4-star QB T.J. Lateef, the #3 QB in the state with 15 college offers, Servite returns senior 3-star QB Leo Hannan, the #7 QB in the state with 16 offers, JSerra returns senior 3-star QB Michael Tollefson, the #9 QB in the state with 23 offers, Santa Margarita returns senior QB John Gazzaniga, the #10 QB in the state with 3 offers, St. John Bosco believes that junior QB Matai Fuiava has the potential to be very good this season, And Mater Dei returns two current freshmen QBs who were somewhat underwhelming during their freshman seasons. So if a family wants their son to play in the Trinity League to develop as a quarterback, and likely be more college-ready than he might be by remaining at Chaparral, maybe they made the choice to move to Mater Dei because they did their homework, not because they didn't. And before the urge to use words like "poach" or "mercenary" take hold, how is this any different than when Servite accepted and enrolled senior QB Blaze McKibbon in 2018 to replace the graduating Tyler McMahon and give incoming freshman Noah Fifita another year to mature. |
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Post by Bick on Feb 27, 2024 17:17:00 GMT -8
Winning or losing with an xfer laden roster doesn't have near the satisfaction of homegrown. Maybe better football, like travel ball, but not as satisfying to me.
I know, easy for me to say having lost 8 starters to transfers this year, but I liked Los Al 2016-19 more than 20-23, and really liked Cypress 2005-11 better than both Los Al sets.
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Post by outofstate on Feb 27, 2024 19:19:29 GMT -8
Why, for Heaven's sake. Don't these transfers do any research to see what other QBs (in this case) are already on the roster? Yes, they do. The cold new reality in this age of social media and the internet is that every good player in the country knows exactly what positions are open and what the needs are at every good program in the country. This is a good kid with a 4.0 GPA and great parents, so I can assure you they did their research. It's widely accepted that the best high school football in the country, week in and week out, is played in the Trinity League. However, Orange Lutheran returns senior 4-star QB T.J. Lateef, the #3 QB in the state with 15 college offers, Servite returns senior 3-star QB Leo Hannan, the #7 QB in the state with 16 offers, JSerra returns senior 3-star QB Michael Tollefson, the #9 QB in the state with 23 offers, Santa Margarita returns senior QB John Gazzaniga, the #10 QB in the state with 3 offers, St. John Bosco believes that junior QB Matai Fuiava has the potential to be very good this season, And Mater Dei returns two current freshmen QBs who were somewhat underwhelming during their freshman seasons. So if a family wants their son to play in the Trinity League to develop as a quarterback, and likely be more college-ready than he might be by remaining at Chaparral, maybe they made the choice to move to Mater Dei because they did their homework, not because they didn't. And before the urge to use words like "poach" or "mercenary" take hold, how is this any different than when Servite accepted and enrolled senior QB Blaze McKibbon in 2018 to replace the graduating Tyler McMahon and give incoming freshman Noah Fifita another year to mature. So are all the ratings and scouting reports on Furian Inferrera wrong? I would rather see MD develop him. I’m sure this transfer is a good kid and his parents are nice also, but I still hope he loses the QB competition and ends up regretting that he transferred. And I really hope that there is a competition rather than give it to this new kid. Why are we even taking this kid in the first place but we wouldn’t take Logan Loya, or numerous other senior transfers? The optics of this are terrible and it’s why people hate us. If this kid from Chaparral ends up starting, then I wouldn’t blame Inferrera or Toki for transferring out of MD. |
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Post by MDDad on Feb 27, 2024 19:33:36 GMT -8
Winning or losing with an xfer laden roster doesn't have near the satisfaction of homegrown. I couldn't agree more, and I feel the same way. However, it does get tiresome when a program is perpetually accused of success through transfers when the facts don't support that accusation. In the 2022 and 2023 seasons, we had four transfers that had significant playing time with us: Lipe Moala started on the OL Kainoa Davis shared some time on the DL Nate Frazier backed up Jordon Davison for two years at RB Talan Tumanuvao shared some time on the OL. This year we have received two transfers who will play and expect one more During that same time, this is a partial list of players we have lost to transfer who have gone on to start for other programs or will certainly start this season: Joshua Clark - LB Jayden Crowder - DB Khristian Dunbar-Hawkins - DB Sam Fonua - LB Andrew Garcia - OL Brandon Garcia - OL Timmy Herr - QB Alex Holani - DB Josh Holani - LB Peter Langi - OL Cole Leinart - QB Rocky Ma'aele - OL Francis Milikini - OL Fulitaunga Moa - OL Roman Paseka - OL Cash Pearsall - DB Jisaiah Sanford - DB Seth Zamora - WR Luke Welch - WR Tyrone Portis - OL James Johnson - QB Kassius Ashtiani - WR Brady Bowman - LB Jonah Smith - WR Sammy Stremick - WR Kaho Tuihalamaka - DL Gavin Wilkins - OL Caleb Bey - RB I know there are more, but those names came to mind from a quick look at our past two program rosters. So from those numbers, have we had a net benefit from transfers, or a net loss? And how does that reconcile with the constant accusations? |
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Post by ProfessorFate on Feb 27, 2024 19:37:48 GMT -8
Why, for Heaven's sake. Don't these transfers do any research to see what other QBs (in this case) are already on the roster? And before the urge to use words like "poach" or "mercenary" take hold, how is this any different than when Servite accepted and enrolled senior QB Blaze McKibbon in 2018 to replace the graduating Tyler McMahon and give incoming freshman Noah Fifita another year to mature. 1. No one mentioned "poaching" or "mercenary" but you. That's an entirely different point, that I wasn't making. 2. But regarding that, I'm on record on our previous forum, as opposing that acquisition. I wanted Servite to take their chances with returning Servite player Damien Moun. 3. Servite should have listened to me, because McKibbon was...well, as Thumper's father once told him, "If you can't say nuthin' nice, don't say nuthin' at all." 4. What makes this different from the Servite example you gave (as long as you've asked), is that McKibbon transferred into a school with an empty cupboard, while this Chaparral kid will be transferring into a school which already has two highly touted superstars-in-the making (which caused legacy QB Cole Leinart to transfer out), as well as Legend Galeai, a 6-2, 185-pound Quarterback from Lakewood, WA. That was the point of my post...not poaching or mercenaries. |
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Post by MDDad on Feb 27, 2024 19:43:13 GMT -8
So are all the ratings and scouting reports on Furian Inferrera wrong? I would rather see MD develop him. No, they're not wrong, but his play on the field last year didn't indicate that he's ready to start on varsity. And if he stays he will be developed, at a rate that is best for him. That is usually not against Trinity League opponents and a national caliber preleague schedule. Of course there will be a competition. Nobody is promised or guaranteed anything, especially incoming transfers. The kid who plays the best and shows the most in spring and summer camps will get the job . . . as they should. Optics are probably low on the list of things worried about. And people hate us for a variety of reasons, a primary one being ignorance of the facts such as I summarized in my previous post. For some reason guys like Eric Sondheimer doesn't chime in every time we lose a kid to another program, but they sure sing the blues when we get one. |
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Post by MDDad on Feb 27, 2024 19:48:44 GMT -8
4. What makes this different from the Servite example you gave (as long as you've asked), is that McKibbon transferred into a school with an empty cupboard, while this Chaparral kid will be transferring into a school which already had two highly touted superstars-in-the making (which caused legacy QB Cole Leinart to transfer out), Most people place more importance on how kids perform in games on the field rather than whether or not they are "highly touted". Neither of the players you allude to are ready to start on varsity at this level. And Cole Leinart left for several reasons, but those two kids coming up behind him wasn't one of them. |
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Post by Bick on Feb 28, 2024 0:17:08 GMT -8
For the most part, MD loses more players than come in. I'm pretty sure most of those that left had a better player ahead of them on the depth chart.
I wouldn't consider them home grown unless they were Catholic school kids from the area diocese. In fact, I'd bet a bottle from SK80's cellar that of the 22 starters last season, less than 5 were.
You could probably say the same for Los Al that only a handful came from Oak or McAuliffe Middle schools. That's really the point here, and not the "poaching" stuff.
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Post by frankieboy1 on Feb 29, 2024 11:47:59 GMT -8
In south OC I consider homegrown to be a kid who comes out of an elementary school that is a member of the Parochial Athletic League (PAL). Unlike north county the non-Catholic privates are members (St Margaret's, St John's and St Mary's come to mind as are most of the small Christian schools.
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Post by frankieboy1 on Feb 29, 2024 11:50:43 GMT -8
There is only 1 Catholic school (St Serra) serving 4 parishes east of I-5. SM's kids pretty much come from that footprint whether or not they went to St Serra or not (in fact the third largest feeder school to SM is RSM Intermediate.
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