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Post by davidsf on Feb 26, 2020 6:51:03 GMT -8
No, you object to any attempts to solve the problem if it doesn't solve the problem completely. Simple perhaps. Effective no. There is no evidence the death penalty is a deterrent to gun violence. Texas executes people on a regular basis yet they don't seem to run out of people to execute. Why wouldn't it solve the problem? Kinda hard to shoot fifty people if you have no bullets. . Just like a liberal, choosing solutions that only kinda solve the problem. You are contradicting yourself. First you claim I object to solutions that don't solve the problem completely, then you claim that my proposed solution doesn't solve the problem completely. If your first claim is true, then your second claim must be false. If your second claim is true, then your first claim must be false. Putting a convicted criminal to death is 100% effective in stopping him from committing another crime. If you don't have the intestinal fortitude to do what needs to be done to punish & eliminate criminals, no problem, just step aside and let those of us who do get the job done. You can put on an apron and hang out in the kitchen with the womenfolk and other cowards  Bullet control won't work for the same reason gun control won't work, those who commit crimes using bullets will not follow the laws to control them. You are once again trying to restrict the rights of people who did not commit a crime and ignoring the logic that criminals don't follow laws. Your thought process is truly immature, no different than the solution one would get from a 5 year old child. Exactly! the anti-gun extremists always focus on the “deterrent” factor because that fits their argument. But that is not the point. They do something similar in the abortion “debate:” They believe if they redefine the child as a fetus they actually do make it non-living and/or non-human. |
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Post by Bick on Feb 26, 2020 7:47:05 GMT -8
You guys are talking about accountability. There doesn't seem to be much of a stomach for that concept here. Makes me wonder why there's such a push for new laws, beyond the obvious it seems like something is being done.
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Post by davidsf on Feb 26, 2020 8:22:19 GMT -8
You guys are talking about accountability. There doesn't seem to be much of a stomach for that concept here. Makes me wonder why there's such a push for new laws, beyond the obvious it seems like something is being done. This goes to my perception that our government doesn’t really want anyone held accountable... for anything, really... OH, they toss some African Americans and some Mexicans into prison for the really obvious stuff, but hold them accountable and actually rehabilitate them? Recidivism rate is astonishingly high. women feel anguish over having an abortion? Just redefine their now dead child as “a clump of cells” and poof, no more anguish. too many gun deaths? Let’s make guns illegal and poof, no one will kill anyone again, ever. opioid epidemic? Let’s punish the doctors and poof, those addicted will be magically healed. it seems to me, what we don’t have much of a stomach for is addressing the actual issue but, instead, putting bandaids on a symptom or two, then high-fiving ourselves over our victory. |
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Post by Bick on Feb 26, 2020 8:30:03 GMT -8
I think the government is a reflection of our values. There aren't many people who have the stomach for holding the line on accountability. It's not at all convenient, and always seems to have blowback from those impacted by the person being held accountable. Just ask any HS football coach or teacher how that's working out for him.
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Post by MDDad on Feb 26, 2020 8:58:56 GMT -8
Makes me wonder why there's such a push for new laws, beyond the obvious it seems like something is being done.That's the new gold standard for those seeking political office. I made the tragic mistake of watching a half hour of the Democratic debates last night during dinner, and there were at least five or six times when one of the candidates said, "We have to do SOMETHING." I suppose to many people it doesn't matter WHAT is done, as long as their is a flurry of activity, and nothing spells honorable intent quite like new laws. |
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Post by vilepagan on Feb 26, 2020 9:04:15 GMT -8
You guys have no respect for our government but you want to give them the power to execute people...boggles the mind.
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Post by davidsf on Feb 26, 2020 9:19:50 GMT -8
Makes me wonder why there's such a push for new laws, beyond the obvious it seems like something is being done.That's the new gold standard for those seeking political office. I made the tragic mistake of watching a half hour of the Democratic debates last night during dinner, and there were at least five or six times when one of the candidates said, "We have to do SOMETHING." I suppose to many people it doesn't matter WHAT is done, as long as their is a flurry of activity, and nothing spells honorable intent quite like new laws. My question for most of them is...and has been, “You’ve been in government for a lot of years: Why is it, now, that “something” has to be done. What have you been doing?” |
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Post by Oakley on Feb 28, 2020 7:28:51 GMT -8
You guys have no respect for our government but you want to give them the power to execute people...boggles the mind. Some people are so evil and have committed such heinous acts they have forfeited their right to live. |
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Post by davidsf on Feb 28, 2020 7:45:26 GMT -8
You guys have no respect for our government but you want to give them the power to execute people...boggles the mind. Some people are so evil and have committed such heinous acts they have forfeited their right to live. If you had a mind to boggle, Vile one, you might realize those put to death for their crimes KNEW that was a possibility and didn’t care. If they care so little about their lives, why do you suppose everyone else should. the death penalty is the only 100% certain way to prevent further crime from that individual. Also, as Oakley pointed out, the death penalty is reserved for those who have committed such heinous acts, and is only prescribed and administered AFTER lengthy court proceedings. that you object to everything anyone here says is what boggles the mind: NO ONE is that filled with hate they cannot agree with ANYTHING, from anyone in the group. Only logical conclusion I can reach is, your display here and over in Brad’s community is an affectation. |
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Post by RSM789 on Feb 28, 2020 20:28:34 GMT -8
You guys have no respect for our government but you want to give them the power to execute people...boggles the mind. You guys want to kill innocent babies for the sake of convenience but you want to let live those criminals convicted of heinous crimes. That boggles the mind. The bottom line is that those who are pro abortion but anti death penalty are cowards. You don't have the character or integrity to do what is right and you try to hide behind false choices to rationalize your lack of intestinal fortitude. |
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Post by vilepagan on Feb 29, 2020 4:34:34 GMT -8
Yeah, that feels like a good argument, but I don't believe anyone has the right to decide who lives and who dies for any reason.
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Post by vilepagan on Feb 29, 2020 4:36:46 GMT -8
Sure, and we always get it right, no?
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Post by vilepagan on Feb 29, 2020 4:42:13 GMT -8
Yes apparently you're mind is so boggled you can't make any sense at all...let me help.
1. I'm one guy.
2. I don't want to kill any babies.
3. I certainly don't want anyone getting an abortion for "convenience".
4. It's not that I want criminals to live, but rather I don't want the government to kill anyone.
Understand now?
Try convincing a priest that what you want to do is "right".
Also, do try to make your arguments without being so insulting. You come across as an angry child.
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Post by davidsf on Feb 29, 2020 10:35:20 GMT -8
You guys have no respect for our government but you want to give them the power to execute people...boggles the mind. You guys want to kill innocent babies for the sake of convenience but you want to let live those criminals convicted of heinous crimes. That boggles the mind. The bottom line is that those who are pro abortion but anti death penalty are cowards. You don't have the character or integrity to do what is right and you try to hide behind false choices to rationalize your lack of intestinal fortitude. I agree with RSM, here: No one who condones the killing of babies for no better reason than the mother’s vanity or insecurity gets to claim the moral high ground on issues like keeping weapons from law-abiding citizens or punishing lawbreakers with no conscience. it is a ridiculous picture your attempts paint for the rest of us. |
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Post by MDDad on Feb 29, 2020 11:54:07 GMT -8
You guys want to kill innocent babies for the sake of convenience but you want to let live those criminals convicted of heinous crimes. That boggles the mind. It's kind of what they do. You can't turn around in the liberal world without bumping into another wall of hypocrisy. For example, remember the uproar from the left when Rush Limbaugh was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom at the state of the union address? Ironically, there was no similar uproar when the award went to: Frank Sinatra, despite his clear ties to organized crime Robert De Niro, despite the fact he may be the biggest asshole in the entertainment world Bill Cosby, despite the fact he's a serial rapist Strom Thurmond, despite the fact he was a virulent racist Ted Kennedy, despite the fact he should have been prosecuted for vehicular manslaughter, or Joe Biden, whom the coming months and years may well reveal as Mr. Quid Pro Quo for corrupt businesses and governments overseas |
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