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Post by SK80 on Nov 15, 2022 7:59:30 GMT -8
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Post by MDDad on Nov 15, 2022 9:11:26 GMT -8
I'm just curious, is that meme a reference to the I.E. pipeline orginally established by Frank Kalil for Servite? If so, you sound a little like Christopher Columbus complaining about all the other Europeans that followed him to the New World. |
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Post by Bick on Nov 15, 2022 18:57:13 GMT -8
Using your argument, shouldn't those kids be attending the private school closest to them? Of those 13 players, all but 3 of them (Anaheim & Fullerton) should be elsewhere. HB...Mater Dei Irvine & Tustin...Crean Rolling Hills...St Anthony? Brea & La Habra...Whittier Christian Yorba Linda...OLu Actually, that's never been my argument vis-a-vis private schools, and makes absolutely no sense. "Private schools" can in no way be lumped together, as though they're all the same. They are differentiated in many, many ways: academics, religious tradition, enrollment, co-ed or single sex, athletics, extracurriculars, etc. If we applied this standard to all private schools, Mater Dei and Bosco would be playing D3 football at best. Students at the multiplicity of private schools cross over all kinds of boundaries, depending on what is most important to families. Having said that, they need to have internally regulated limits in order to maintain their integrity. Hence, the issue with St. John Bosco and Mater Dei, but every private school needs to keep this in mind, ours included. The problem is when Catholic or other private schools bring in kids--particularly from way beyond their geographic area--who clearly have no business being there other than to help the school win a CIF title. Haven't you been constantly bringing up Long Beach kids attending Los Al? What was your point if not to say freshmen kids are enrolling there who live in someone else's district? |
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Post by Bick on Nov 16, 2022 12:21:31 GMT -8
Credo, I guess this is the real question...should a student / athlete who lives a certain district be forced to attend that school, regardless of whether or not it's in his best interests? The only exception to this is if he attended a private school because they have no geographic boundaries?
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Post by SK80 on Nov 16, 2022 13:57:59 GMT -8
Credo, I guess this is the real question... should a student / athlete who lives a certain district be forced to attend that school, regardless of whether or not it's in his best interests? The only exception to this is if he attended a private school because they have no geographic boundaries? Last I checked its a law, with some exceptions or considerations.
Outside Your School District of Residence:The requirement for students to attend schools in their district of residence has been California law since the mid 1800's. Contrary to popular opinion, under California law, parents and children do not enjoy the freedom to choose to attend any school they wish.
That said, here are the 4 options to transfer outside the district in which the student and family reside. 1) District of Choice Program. 2) Caregiver Affidavit 3) Parent Employment Transfer 4) Interdistrict Attendance Agreement Question is, how big of a hurdle for a student athlete are any of the above, how much of a deterrent to go to a school outside his or her district? |
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Post by MDDad on Nov 16, 2022 14:23:03 GMT -8
Credo, I guess this is the real question... should a student / athlete who lives a certain district be forced to attend that school, regardless of whether or not it's in his best interests? The only exception to this is if he attended a private school because they have no geographic boundaries? Last I checked its a law, with some exceptions or considerations.
Outside Your School District of Residence:The requirement for students to attend schools in their district of residence has been California law since the mid 1800's. Contrary to popular opinion, under California law, parents and children do not enjoy the freedom to choose to attend any school they wish.
That said, here are the 4 options to transfer outside the district in which the student and family reside. 1) District of Choice Program. 2) Caregiver Affidavit 3) Parent Employment Transfer 4) Interdistrict Attendance Agreement Question is, how big of a hurdle for a student athlete are any of the above, how much of a deterrent to go to a school outside his or her district? Resorting to "it's the law" is the last defense for those who have no other arrows left in their quiver. The fact that it's the law doesn't make it right. For example, it's also the law in this state that a woman can abort a child up to the moment it is born. Mission Viejo was notorious in the early 2000's for using this scam to allow the transfer of outstanding student-athletes into their school and onto their football team, including two of our own. They would hire the mother as a part-time librarian, or the father as a part-time janitor, and bingo, their son could enroll without their living in the district. Needless to say, those part-time librarians and janitors never worked an hour or received a paycheck, but they were on the payroll so it was all legal. |
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Post by SK80 on Nov 16, 2022 15:51:05 GMT -8
Last I checked its a law, with some exceptions or considerations.
Outside Your School District of Residence:The requirement for students to attend schools in their district of residence has been California law since the mid 1800's. Contrary to popular opinion, under California law, parents and children do not enjoy the freedom to choose to attend any school they wish.
That said, here are the 4 options to transfer outside the district in which the student and family reside. 1) District of Choice Program. 2) Caregiver Affidavit 3) Parent Employment Transfer 4) Interdistrict Attendance Agreement Question is, how big of a hurdle for a student athlete are any of the above, how much of a deterrent to go to a school outside his or her district?
The fact that it's the law doesn't make it right. For example, it's also the law in this state that a woman can abort a child up to the moment it is born. <~~~ Late term or third semester abortion is against the law in California, you might want to check your statement, there is NO law written otherwise. If you are attempting to use the recent pass of Proposition 1, that is not "Law". |
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Post by MDDad on Nov 16, 2022 16:15:27 GMT -8
You're making a baseless assumption. When my oldest son entered high school, we had the choice of Santa Ana Valley and it's gang problems, Saddleback and it's gang problems, or a private like Mater Dei. We chose the latter for safety reasons more than anything else. We would have gladly commuted to Edison or Fountan Valley HS every day, but we didn't have that option because "it's the law", So yes, those district rules very much affected the lives of my family.
Yes I am, and after passing by a 2-to-1 majority, it will become law soon enough.
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Post by SK80 on Nov 16, 2022 18:39:59 GMT -8
You're making a baseless assumption. When my oldest son entered high school, we had the choice of Santa Ana Valley and it's gang problems, Saddleback and it's gang problems, or a private like Mater Dei. We chose the latter for safety reasons more than anything else. We would have gladly commuted to Edison or Fountan Valley HS every day, but we didn't have that option because "it's the law", So yes, those district rules very much affected the lives of my family. Yes I am, and after passing by a 2-to-1 majority, it will become law soon enough. There is nothing in Prop 1 that makes late term abortion a law. Nothing. Prop 1 was passed easily yes, it will be written into the California Constitution, yes, but the law states here in California up to 24 weeks, 500 grams or viabilty and it ends there outside safety, health of life of the mother. There is nothing in Prop 1 that changes that law. There may come a time when some mother wants to or is coerced into using Prop 1 in court to get a late term abortion but even if she were to succeed, it would or could set precedent but still would not be law. And one must assume living in this state of dystopia, a progressive jury of women, a leftist judge and a demented doctor could or would actual conduct the procedure. |
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Post by outofstate on Nov 18, 2022 19:09:51 GMT -8
How does this little troll get away with saying things like this?
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Post by frankieboy1 on Nov 19, 2022 0:19:46 GMT -8
You forgot about the 4H program at Mission Viejo. A lot of big strong lineman types were able to go to Mission because animal husbandry wasn't offered at their local HS. |
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Post by MDDad on Nov 19, 2022 7:22:01 GMT -8
How does this little troll get away with saying things like this? Sondheimer hit the nail on the head with this one. I can't recall ever seeing a single Polynesian player at any other high school but those two. What an irrelevant sh!t he's become. |
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Post by SK80 on Nov 19, 2022 7:44:44 GMT -8
Sondheimer hit the nail on the head with this one. I can't recall ever seeing a single Polynesian playat any other high school but those two. What an irrelevant sh!t he's become.Irrelevant will come when you stop talking and/or mentioning him. |
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Post by thefrog on Nov 20, 2022 6:48:18 GMT -8
That was legitimately incredible.
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Post by Credo on Nov 20, 2022 21:30:22 GMT -8
Credo, I guess this is the real question...should a student / athlete who lives a certain district be forced to attend that school, regardless of whether or not it's in his best interests? The only exception to this is if he attended a private school because they have no geographic boundaries? I'm in favor of school choice--within the same district--because the public school system is funded by the property taxes of those who live in a defined geographic area. If someone wants to attend school in a different district then they're free to move. People do that all the time. Their other choice is to attend a private school either within or outside their district. My wife and I have been sending our kids to Catholic schools for 11 years now. Almost all of the students at Los Al HS have attended the feeder elementary and middle schools of that same district. Students from outside the district are essentially "free riders." Now if there was some way a district could charge a fee for students outside the district that might make some sense. A conservative estimate on the average property taxes in homes within the Los Alamitos district is at least $8K per year. The other thing I would say as it pertains to elite athletes and schools is that "what's in their best interest" is not a sufficient rationale. It's in the "best interest" of most of the kids who live in Santa Ana to attend Foothill HS or Newport Harbor HS rather than Valley HS or Santa Ana HS. That doesn't mean they can all just transfer. It's in the "best interest" for half the population of Mexico to move the the U.S. That doesn't justify an Open Borders policy--unless you're a Democrat. Different "interests" need to be weighed in order to figure out the best policy. I know it's definitely "in the best interest" of some HSFB programs to admit the top athletes they can--regardless of where they live. Is the argument that public schools should essentially have no boundaries? Not sure how many parents at LAHS or any other desirable location would be in favor of that. |
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