More Christianity under Attack

Been there, done that.



Of course the people here who claim to be Christians are the worst sort when it comes to the treatment of gays. Just read this thread and several others. Your theory about me is undoubtedly right, but you're forgetting all the gay people to whom they wish to deny various and sundry services. Rather ironic that it's the Christians who want to make it ok to tell gay people there's no room for them at the inn.

Nobody is disputing whether the plaintiff has a legal right to a homosexual marriage. The dispute is whether his having that right permits him to violate somebody else's civil rights by compelling him to to participate in it. Nobody is keeping the clown from getting married or getting his cake. The plaintiff is just being an entitled wus who thinks he has the right to compel other people's behavior. He's not being denied the right to buy a cake because he's a homosexual. He is simply not going to get his homosexual wedding cake from this baker because homosexual weddings are anathema to his Constitutionally guaranteed right to "free exercise" of his religion. The distinction is not all that complex

You seem unable to perceive this as involving anything else except you and your feelings of victimization and expansive entitlement. There is no civil right to a life free of hurt feelings.

I assume you have seen the signs in so many business establishments reading: "We reserve the right to refuse service." You can refuse service to someone because of language, dress, behavior, profession and even apparently politics. But you would have us belief that somehow for homosexual marriage we must preserve a unique and special status that compels all American citizens to celebrate and participate in it. This is the epitome of entitlement.

I think you get an emotional catharsis from portraying yourself as offended and victimized. No one said your "rights are dubious" or anything close to it. We all have acknowledged rights, but sometimes our behavior can be pretty dubious………………………………………….Luca

Regarding the SC case with the baker, not only had he created & sold cakes to dozens of gay people, he had sold numerous cakes to that specific couple who sued him. He specifically told them he did not want to be involved in a gay marriage ceremony. he felt that making a cake was condoning the institution of gay marriage, which was against his religious beliefs.  Nonetheless, if they had continued to ask him to bake things for them personally, he would have done so.

I like MDDad & Coach (no, they are not a gay couple). If they wanted to have me build a home theater for them, I would. However, if they asked me to do a sound system for Mater Dei football, I would decline. Nothing against them personally, Ijust have no interest in condoning an institution that goes against my belief system of what high school football should be.

As far as how Christians treat gays, the more spiritual and closer to following the bible a person is, the more that person treats gay folks positively. Christians who are strong with their faith love people despite any sins that those people may be involved in. It is those who use their religion as a weapon, who really aren't true believers but want to hide in a group who are the people who treat gay people badly. Not surprisingly, those toxic people also treat women badly, minorities badly, children badly and usually kick the dog when they get home.

Not a "dubious" marriage?



I would dispute your claim, and possibly his, that he's being asked to "participate" in any way in this gay marriage.



I would dispute that claim as well. It seems to me that the baker is certainly preventing the clients form "getting" their cake.



Is that what the black people who wanted to sit at he lunch counter were being? How is this different?



No, it's not complex at all, It's painfully simple. The baker doesn't like gay marriage. In my opinion the baker should suck it up and make the cake anyway just like the worker at the lunch counter should stuff their bigotry deep down inside of themselves and serve the black people like they were real people.



You seem to want to take this conversation to a lower place. I'm totally unconcerned with your irrelevant feelings about me.



There is also no right enumerated in the Constitution which guarantees that everyone will follow the same religion as the baker. He has no right to expect patrons of his business to behave according to what he believes.



And your statements claiming that gays are demanding others celebrate and participate in their weddings are the epitome of absurdity. It would be like if I claimed that the baker was attempting to foist his religion on everyone else by his stance on gay wedding cakes.



I think the same about you and your ridiculous claims about having to celebrate gay marriage.



You said gay marriage was "dubious". I can only assume you don't think the same about your marriage.

That is an obsolete, long debunked myth some homosexuals still cling to.

Christians don’t mistreat homosexuals except for rare splinter groups with various, un-Scriptural motivations.  To broadly accuse all Christians of abusing homosexuals is as fallacious as accusing all homosexuals of being ass hats like our present guest.  

Vile pagan, you are incorrect in claiming that Dave has mistreated you because you are gay. Any negative treatment you have received from Dave, and myself as well, has been based on your behavior, not your sexual orientation.

If other people treat you bad, I would bet it is probably based on your personality. Being brutally truthful, you often come across as a snarky, condescending, little bitch who has a chip on his shoulder. Now if that chip is your sexuality and how people who should have loved you instead rejected you based on it, then it is understandable why you choose to act that way. However, it is still a choice, you can reject those who rejected you and instead choose to be a decent person who happens to love dick.

You catch flack from the people on this board because you choose to act like a flamboyant, boring twat. Knock that act off, make your case for your views without the drama & snark and I know the other on people on this forum will respond in kind.

The truth is, why do we even care if you are gay or not? Why is it such an issue? Why do you care what people think? Why do I care who you sleep with? Why not be a person and get along? Like discussions of racism. It's boring and nobody wins.