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Post by Bick on May 3, 2020 12:21:09 GMT -8
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Post by Credo on May 3, 2020 17:01:30 GMT -8
And WaPo was arguing for three years that Trump was a Russian agent, so take their analysis for what it's worth. Trust me--I've been on top of this case since 2017--it's only going to get worse for Comey, Mueller, and many others at the FBI/DOJ. The case will either be dismissed by the judge or--more likely--withdrawn by the DOJ after the judge allows Flynn to withdraw his guilty plea. |
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Post by Bick on May 3, 2020 18:43:37 GMT -8
You think Comey will face charges over this?
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Post by Credo on May 3, 2020 20:54:11 GMT -8
You think Comey will face charges over this? That's the $1M question. He should--but making a case that would stick with 12 jurors is going to be tough, since he can always say the FBI was genuinely concerned with Russian interference (they weren't, but that's his plausible deniability). Where people face legal jeopardy is in making false statements to the FISA Court and to Congress. Firings for those still there and disbarments for Comey, Mueller, and his team are a good start. My sense is that there are so many powerfully connected people (Senators, etc) who were in on all this that D.C. protects itself. The Swamp creatures all have dirt on each other, and this is the leverage they use to avoid anyone high on the food chain from ever being held accountable. If this thing was fully pursued it would end up ensnaring not just Comey but John Brennan and James Clapper--and even Robert Mueller, who is a personal friend of Bill Barr. Unfortunately, I wouldn't bet my mortgage that Comey gets charged. At the very least, though, some people need to be prosecuted or the trust in the FBI will be lost forever. Christopher Wray needs to be fired and the entire FBI overhauled; it's clearly an agency out of control and has been incompetent for a long time in even what it's supposed to be doing (9/11, Boston bombers, San Bernadino, Orlando, and Vegas shootings). As for the bigger fish there absolutely needs to be an official report by Barr and Durham that loudly and publicly exposes the whole cabal for what they did--so that at a minimum those bad actors are forever disgraced; that way people like Flynn, Papadopoulos, Stone, and TRUMP get a measure of justice for having been unfairly dragged through the mud for the Russia-Collusion Hoax for nearly four years. |
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Post by vilepagan on May 4, 2020 2:46:12 GMT -8
And WaPo was arguing for three years that Trump was a Russian agent, so take their analysis for what it's worth. Trust me--I've been on top of this case since 2017--it's only going to get worse for Comey, Mueller, and many others at the FBI/DOJ. The case will either be dismissed by the judge or--more likely--withdrawn by the DOJ after the judge allows Flynn to withdraw his guilty plea. So we should trust you because you've "been on top of this case since 2017" and obviously you have no political biases whatsoever. We must also assume that the WP hasn't been following this story nearly as well as you have, after all you have far more time, money, and resources available than the WP, and certainly have much more integrity than they do, and of course you've had access to all the evidence in this case to peruse at your leisure. Since the WP is a professional organization, with their reputation on the line, and they have much more experience in investigations, much more access to the people and facts of this case, and certainly have spent far more time and effort on reporting this story than you have...I'll take their analysis for what it's worth, which is far more than your speculations are worth. I guess after all you've said we'll still just have to wait for the courts to make their decision. |
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Post by Bick on May 4, 2020 5:50:33 GMT -8
Credo - prosecuting an underling never really hits home for me.
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Post by Credo on May 4, 2020 11:29:24 GMT -8
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Post by ProfessorFate on May 4, 2020 15:52:25 GMT -8
May 4, 2020 4:46:12 GMT -6 vilepagan said: So we should trust you because you've "been on top of this case since 2017" and obviously you have no political biases whatsoever. We must also assume that the WP hasn't been following this story nearly as well as you have, after all you have far more time, money, and resources available than the WP, and certainly have much more integrity than they do, and of course you've had access to all the evidence in this case to peruse at your leisure. Finally! a kernel of truth escapes Vile Pagan's pie-hole. |
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Post by davidsf on May 4, 2020 16:12:19 GMT -8
May 4, 2020 4:46:12 GMT -6 vilepagan said: So we should trust you because you've "been on top of this case since 2017" and obviously you have no political biases whatsoever. We must also assume that the WP hasn't been following this story nearly as well as you have, after all you have far more time, money, and resources available than the WP, and certainly have much more integrity than they do, and of course you've had access to all the evidence in this case to peruse at your leisure. Finally! a kernel of truth escapes Vile Pagan's pie-hole. Huh... one wonders why he would bother repeating common knowledge. 🤷🏻♂️ |
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Post by duke on May 4, 2020 16:18:13 GMT -8
Barr has already passed on trying to bring someone like McCabe to justice because they know it is very difficult to find 12 people to sit on a jury in DC who aren't part of the swamp.
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Post by ProfessorFate on May 4, 2020 16:26:48 GMT -8
Barr has already passed on trying to bring someone like McCabe to justice because they know it is very difficult to find 12 people to sit on a jury in DC who aren't part of the swamp. Exactly right. It's like the old western movies, where the cattle baron controls the town, and when one of his henchmen gets tried for murder, the baron makes sure the jurors are either his men, or are afraid of his men. If a defendant can get a change of venue because he can't get a fair trial, the DAs should be able to get a change of venue for the same reason, in reverse. |
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Post by Credo on May 4, 2020 18:55:18 GMT -8
May 4, 2020 4:46:12 GMT -6 vilepagan said: So we should trust you because you've "been on top of this case since 2017" and obviously you have no political biases whatsoever. We must also assume that the WP hasn't been following this story nearly as well as you have, after all you have far more time, money, and resources available than the WP, and certainly have much more integrity than they do, and of course you've had access to all the evidence in this case to peruse at your leisure. Finally! a kernel of truth escapes Vile Pagan's pie-hole. The nonsensical ravings of a someone who is perhaps realizing that the lynchpin case at the heart of the narrative of Trump-Russia Collusion is falling apart like a house of cards. Imagine having such a lack of confidence in your own ability to evaluate publicly available information that you implicitly trust the analytical judgment of a newspaper. And, further, imagining that the Washington Post is going to cover anything related to the Trump administration in an unbiased way. Funny  ....and Sad.  |
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Post by Credo on May 4, 2020 21:27:46 GMT -8
Now why was Flynn targeted--that's the question. My guess--I could be wrong--is that investigating and ultimately getting rid of Flynn may have been the infamous "insurance policy" alluded to by Strzok and Page (as discussed in a meeting with McCabe) in one of their texts during the summer of 2016. Flynn was aware of the political opposition spying that had been going on in the Obama administration and, in any case, would have been in a position as NSA to expose and shut down the FBI's ongoing spying operation against Trump. That's why he needed to be eliminated. His firing (based on insinuations of suspicious dealings with the Russian ambassador) also provide the tinder to ignite the Collusion Hoax just as the Trump administration was getting underway.
And in case anyone doubts the facts....I'm not your human Google.
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Post by vilepagan on May 5, 2020 3:23:07 GMT -8
May 4, 2020 4:46:12 GMT -6 vilepagan said: So we should trust you because you've "been on top of this case since 2017" and obviously you have no political biases whatsoever. We must also assume that the WP hasn't been following this story nearly as well as you have, after all you have far more time, money, and resources available than the WP, and certainly have much more integrity than they do, and of course you've had access to all the evidence in this case to peruse at your leisure. Finally! a kernel of truth escapes Vile Pagan's pie-hole. I apologize Professor...I should have realized you'd be confused by sarcasm. |
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Post by vilepagan on May 5, 2020 3:32:40 GMT -8
Finally! a kernel of truth escapes Vile Pagan's pie-hole. The nonsensical ravings of a someone who is perhaps realizing that the lynchpin case at the heart of the narrative of Trump-Russia Collusion is falling apart like a house of cards. Imagine having such a lack of confidence in your own ability to evaluate publicly available information that you implicitly trust the analytical judgment of a newspaper. And, further, imagining that the Washington Post is going to cover anything related to the Trump administration in an unbiased way. Funny ....and Sad. The lynchpin of this case will be Flynn's ability to convince the judge he was set up. This is not something new. Flynn has tried this already with this same judge and was not successful. It's not that I trust the WP to always get things right, it's that I trust that their motives are much less political than yours and that they at least have a reason to tell the truth, while you do not. I can evaluate "publicly available" information as well as the next person but unlike you I'm not laboring under the impression that the courts are so constrained. I think they have access to ALL the information they need, not just what's publicly available. You seem to think you have all the info you need to make an informed decision, but I don't think that's the case. Your information comes from Twitter, and the truly sad thing is that you think this is adequate information to decide whether someone is guilty of a crime or should be acquitted. Do I think such decisions should be made on the basis of info gleaned from social media? No I do not. I suspect the judge in this case gets his info from more reliable sources. |
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