MDDad
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Post by MDDad on Mar 20, 2019 15:56:40 GMT -8
In hindsight, my feelings about Barack Obama are very ambivalent. In 2008, when it seemed the fabric and foundation of America was unraveling from the shock waves of the financial crisis, I felt we needed a president as different as possible from what we've ever had before to refill us with confidence. The same old same old was not going to do it. So I voted for the guy, not because I agreed with his politics, but because he was young and black and new. And today, if I was to sit down and share a six-pack with one president from the past 50 years, it would be with Obama. He is very bright, and he seems like a nice person to hang out with.
But his presidency was a very mixed bag. He did some good things and some bad, but there are two things I can never forgive him for:
(1) His utter lack of experience for the job made him unsure of himself, that uncertainty made him cautious, and that caution made him timid. And that timidity was a train wreck when it came to his foreign policy. He was timid with Iran. He was timid with Russia, which partially emboldened them to annex the Crimea. He was timid with North Korea, allowing that nervous confrontation to grow for eight years until Kim had nuclear weapons and the means to deliver them. He was timid with China, which emboldened them to make major and aggressive moves to further their influence around the world. He was timid with Syria, which led to the horrible situation that exists their now. He was timid with ISIS, adding years and thousands of deaths to the lifespan of that shit organization. And his silly "red line in the sand" became the laughingstock of the world.
(2) His responses to interracial crime were also a major disappointment. Whenever white-on-white or black-on-white crimes made the national news, he was strangely silent. But almost every time white-on-black crime hit the airwaves, he consistently turned his back on being presidential and trying to unite us all, to being black and repeating the same tired old black complaints. There were just too many times when he allowed his blackness to usurp his responsibility to be the president of all Americans, and that really lessens him in my eyes.
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Post by SK80 on Mar 20, 2019 16:06:25 GMT -8
I believed he was utterly unqualified and did NOT vote for him, it was right guy at right time. With his victory I did feel as an American a big hurdle had been cleared, in this country, the country of opportunity, ANYONE can make it happen, have their dreams realized.
However he FAILED to ever come close to that HOPE that I had reluctantly embraced. He became to me a bigger divider than I could have ever imagined. He had a golden chance to take the African American community to places they had never dreamt possible. Instead he fell back on the victimhood mantra and made white responsible for every ill will on planet America. So as someone whom did not vote for him I reached out an olive branch only to have it snapped. Even more so he was a hinderance to our economy and weaken this country globally. I consider his presidency a big "F".
MDDad, don't take this wrong but I see you despise Trump, dislike Fox News and voted for Obama... so what part of the conservative ideology or movement to you approve?
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Post by RSM789 on Mar 20, 2019 16:35:38 GMT -8
...So I voted for the guy, not because I agreed with his politics... You & Doug Mcintyre. Larry Elder gave McIntyre an earful on the radio back in 2008 when he admitted it. I understand the idea behind voting for someone on the left based on the person they seem to be, but the problem is the politics that they bring along. Now matter how nice Obama is or was, or how transformational he appeared to be, his political ideology kept the country from excelling out of the Recession. Even though the Palin family was a dumpster fire, had McCain won the election and quickly died like the folks on the left were claiming was going to happen, Palin would have been a better president than Obama was. Obama is a bureaucrat, Palin (like Trump) is a leader. She probably would have had some of the same learning curves that Trump had, but since her politics are right, she would have eventually got the country headed in the right direction. I'll take a surgeon with horrible bedside manner and the hands of a magician over the surgeon who makes you feel real good right before he pulls your kidney out your nostril. |
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Post by MDDad on Mar 20, 2019 16:35:54 GMT -8
I believed he was utterly unqualified and did NOT vote for him, it was right guy at right time. With his victory I did feel as an American a big hurdle had been cleared, in this country, the country of opportunity, ANYONE can make it happen, have their dreams realized. However he FAILED to ever come close to that HOPE that I had reluctantly embraced. He became to me a bigger divider than I could have ever imagined. He had a golden chance to take the African American community to places they had never dreamt possible. Instead he fell back on the victimhood mantra and made white responsible for every ill will on planet America. So as someone whom did not vote for him I reached out an olive branch only to have it snapped. Even more so he was a hinderance to our economy and weaken this country globally. I consider his presidency a big "F". MDDad, don't take this wrong but I see you despise Trump, dislike Fox News and voted for Obama... so what part of the conservative ideology or movement to you approve? I despise Trump as a human being, as every thinking person should, but I support many of his initiatives. I don't dislike Fox News, I just consider it a sit-com. And I've pretty much stopped watching all sit-coms. I voted for Obama the first time because I thought as a country we needed that magnitude of change. In hindsight, who knows, I may have been right. I did not vote for him the second time...with extreme prejudice. The parts of the conservative ideology I support are the ones in the Constitution. I believe in small government, national security and personal responsibility, but I'm also compassionate towards my fellow human beings. |
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Post by SK80 on Mar 21, 2019 6:43:52 GMT -8
"....but I'm also compassionate towards my fellow human beings."
can we assume then you believe most or many on the right are not compassionate humans?
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Post by RSM789 on Mar 21, 2019 9:57:18 GMT -8
...so what part of the conservative ideology or movement to you approve? ... I believe in small government, national security and personal responsibility, but I'm also compassionate towards my fellow human beings. Small government, national security & personal responsibility are not mutually exclusive to being compassionate. In fact, I would argue that they are traits of being more compassionate than the alternative. Small government implies more individual freedom, less government control. That is the essence of compassion. National security is the protection of citizens lives and way of life. To do otherwise, to allow foreign influences to kill your citizenry or disrupt their way of life shows zero compassion. The opposite of personal responsibility is having the right to make decisions about your life removed. Someone else controls every aspect of your life because you are deemed unable to. While that may be compassionate for a mentally ill person, a child or an animal, it is evil to do that to an adult who has the capability to own their own life. Many liberals view themselves as being compassionate because they "care about" things they have no control over or don't have to do any work or make sacrifices for. I have a neighbor like that, she ran for City council and her big issue was to put a net under the RSM bridge to save people who jump over to commit suicide (like 4 people in the last 25 years). Meanwhile, when my wife sent her a very nice email letting her know that her dog had been barking non-stop every time she leaves the house, she comes unglued, accuses my wife of harassing her and tells my wife to "lose her number". Hmmm, you run for city council because you say you can solve problems, yet when a simple, solvable one presents itself in your personal life, you melt like a snowflake. Stupid liberal. |
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Post by MDDad on Mar 21, 2019 10:12:03 GMT -8
RSM, I agree with everything you just posted...and I don't think I've ever said that to a Servitian before.
If liberals just viewed themselves as being compassionate because they "care about" things, that would be almost palatable. It's their goddamn smug self-assurance that they know what's best for every individual and for us as a whole, in every situation imaginable, that makes them so insufferable.
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Post by ProfessorFate on Mar 21, 2019 13:42:24 GMT -8
Here's part of the problem with the perception that conservatives are not compassionate. Conservatives are law and order guys. That means all laws should be enforced and obeyed. No exceptions. That means controlling who comes into the country, deporting illegal aliens (especially those who have committed additional crimes), etc. Naturally those who believe in law and order are perceived as not being compassionate, because the naive left points to the poor underprivileged immigrants, that we won't let enter illegally, and the poor family whose illegal alien parent just got arrested by ICE, and the families being separated at the border, because the law won't let children be detained for as long as the adults need to be detained, etc.
The left won't fix those laws to make things work smoothly, because they don't want them to work at all.
So we (law and order conservatives) look like the bad guys, because we want the law enforced and obeyed, and we won't make exceptions.
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Post by Bick on May 17, 2019 15:04:35 GMT -8
Not sure getting caught in a direct lie is punishable, but certainly doesn't bode well for his legacy. On 2nd thought, it probably doesn't really matter either way.
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Post by Credo on May 17, 2019 19:32:42 GMT -8
The is the same guy who repeatedly said, "If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor."
And on the way out of office declared that his administration had been "scandal-free."
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Post by Credo on Oct 29, 2019 15:04:39 GMT -8
This is illegal. But, remember folks, he had "no scandals."  ![]() |
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Post by Bick on Oct 30, 2019 5:23:30 GMT -8
Not too many "pros" over here, but this take on the woke crowd is long overdue. Nice job Mr President
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Post by SK80 on Oct 30, 2019 5:50:10 GMT -8
Words on being constructive by the former President. I always go back to something similar, look at what you have in common with others, BEFORE you look to what you may not or do not.
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Post by davidsf on Oct 30, 2019 5:52:27 GMT -8
“Might” not.
“Might” states a possibility...“May” indicates permission.
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Post by Credo on Oct 30, 2019 14:54:41 GMT -8
Another nasty woman. You had your eight years and cashed in bigly. Go away now.
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