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Post by Bick on Feb 24, 2019 11:26:03 GMT -8
This subject might be tough to reign in the objectivity and keep it from just being a hit piece given the makeup of the majority of our members. Certain things he said about driving the economy into a ditch, and needing him to pull it out got under my skin in the early going - primarily what I'd call his smug confidence given his lack of experience.
He was one of the best speech giving presidents I can recall, and was as charismatic as Reagan. He seemed very popular in Europe as well, and made friends with most of our foreign allies. Contrast that with the current president who doesn't seem the least bit concerned with what our allies think. That's part of the globalist v nationalist tacks of the 2 presidents. While Trump won't likely win a Nobel popularity contest Peace Prize, I think it's better to be respected than liked. Reagan seemed to be able to accomplish both, but that might be a good for another thread.
I'm interested to know what the sense is here of the positive accomplishments as well as those considered to be the most negative.
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Post by SK80 on Feb 24, 2019 12:17:19 GMT -8
Honestly, like a good sport I accepted the outcome of the election and I remember the first day thinking that I do not believe this term will go good for the economy but I will say I was glad to see America could elect anyone regardless of skin color. However for the next 8 years i do not think he did a thing to advance race relations nor did he speak to his fellow Africa Americans and try and have them take responsibility for some of the redundant issues that the black community puts upon itself from fatherless families to black on black crime. President Obama did exactly the opposite. He used his Saul Alinsky "Conquer & Divide" abilities to worsen relations amongst Americans.
Outside of that his only accomplishment was their conceived, implemented and run ACA. And not knowing what was in it before signing it nor getting any Republicans on board was as sure fire way for failure. That aside 8 straight years of sub 3% growth. Historically the WORST of any President.
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Post by Credo on Feb 24, 2019 12:20:11 GMT -8
I'll try to be fair on this but it's tough. Pros: - As far as we can tell, good family man.
- Talked--though not enough--about the importance of fathers in the black community
- Inspired the Tea Party movement in reaction to his policies
- Began the process of unmasking the true nature of the Left
Cons: - Inflamed racial tensions in this country with his demonizing of the police; hosting BLM leaders in the WH
- ObamaCare and its massive expansion of gov't; including the persecution of groups like the Little Sisters of the Poor
- Weaponizing the IRS against conservative non-profits
- Lying as a candidate about his support for same-sex "marriage" and then lighting up the WH in the rainbow colors after the SCOTUS decision in Obergefell v. Hodges
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Post by ProfessorFate on Feb 24, 2019 14:33:21 GMT -8
Don't forget his statement to Medvedev: "Tell Vladimir that I can be more flexible after the election." Basically saying that he can "collude" more with Russia, after the American People can no longer do anything about it.
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Post by Bick on Feb 24, 2019 14:42:22 GMT -8
Don't forget his statement to Medvedev: "Tell Vladimir that I can be more flexible after the election." Basically saying that he can "collude" more with Russia, after the American People can no longer do anything about it. I remember the quote, but don't recall the context or what he was going to be flexible about. |
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Post by ProfessorFate on Feb 24, 2019 14:45:32 GMT -8
I'm not sure it was ever known.
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Post by Bick on Feb 24, 2019 14:54:57 GMT -8
Honestly, like a good sport I accepted the outcome of the election and I remember the first day thinking that I do not believe this term will go good for the economy but I will say I was glad to see America could elect anyone regardless of skin color. However for the next 8 years i do not think he did a thing to advance race relations nor did he speak to his fellow Africa Americans and try and have them take responsibility for some of the redundant issues that the black community puts upon itself from fatherless families to black on black crime. President Obama did exactly the opposite. He used his Saul Alinsky "Conquer & Divide" abilities to worsen relations amongst Americans. What you outlined was my biggest disappointment with him. I was excited thinking we were finally going to get past all the truly harmful excuses the race baiting enablers were using. He had far and away the best opportunity to put a big hole in the excuses some minorities use as a reason for their lot in life. Instead, and as you said, he made it worse...a LOT worse. The first black POTUS almost re-instilled the notion they are victims because of their race, and not because of their choices. Apparently what we need is a black conservative president. |
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Post by ProfessorFate on Feb 24, 2019 15:16:02 GMT -8
Blacks are simply taken for granted by the Democrats. They don't seem to feel the need to do anything for them, other than to keep stirring up the us vs them feelings, to keep them voting Democratic.
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Post by Bick on Feb 24, 2019 16:45:38 GMT -8
I'm not suggesting there isn't racial prejudice. I'm not confident how ever that is metricized gets much better though. Those who are prejudiced by race aren't likely to change, and the notion of controlling human emotion has about the same likelihood of success as controlling the change in the world's climate. There are laws currently in the books that deal with discrimination, and those that engage in it, ultimately just really hurt themselves more so than any "victim" of it.
Just seems it would be infinitely more valuable to encourage overcoming that adversity, if ever encountered, than to reinforce victim-hood.
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Post by ProfessorFate on Feb 25, 2019 1:21:28 GMT -8
Don't forget his statement to Medvedev: "Tell Vladimir that I can be more flexible after the election." Basically saying that he can "collude" more with Russia, after the American People can no longer do anything about it. I remember the quote, but don't recall the context or what he was going to be flexible about. According to Euronews, it was referring to a variety of issues, including missile defenses.  Whatever it was...Obama obviously thought it was something that a majority of the American People wouldn't approve of. |
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Post by SK80 on Feb 25, 2019 7:31:43 GMT -8
"Apparently what we need is a black conservative president." ~ Bick
That is kryptonite to the Democrats and liberal ideology. In all media except Fox black conservatives are hushed or blocked from presenting views. Although I am not around college academics much anymore I suspect it is there too. The idea of a black conservative on the highest court with Clarence Thomas is just one example. They railed against Ben Carson when a black conservative tried to run for President. Conservative black journalists, pundits or commentators are shut out of any stage in the mainstream media outside of Fox News.
Why are they so scared? If the African American vote for conservatives or against the liberals moved or swung by 10% (its usually 90+ % Dem.) it would be all over for the Democratic Party.
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Post by Bick on Feb 25, 2019 8:26:24 GMT -8
I've got to believe that minority voters will ultimately understand that constantly being reminded of their "victim" status doesn't lead to a better life.
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Post by SK80 on Feb 25, 2019 8:47:28 GMT -8
Especially as more minorities become successful it will appear far too hypocritical for them to cling to notion. I couldn't help to see hypocrisy every time President Obama opened his mouth on the issue. really? Are you not a African American sitting in the Oval Office holding the HIGHEST position in these United States. This is why Trump ran with American "EXCEPTIONALISM"!
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Post by MDDad on Feb 25, 2019 9:23:03 GMT -8
I've got to believe that minority voters will ultimately understand that constantly being reminded of their "victim" status doesn't lead to a better life. Not to mention the way Democrats pander to them until the day after the election. From then on, all they get is political correctness, but never anything substantive. |
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Post by SK80 on Feb 25, 2019 11:01:07 GMT -8
Honestly if the African American voter got save they would go to the Republican party as it's a check and balance that will get you better results. It's like playing poker you can not show your hand at every table, the Democrats know what the black vote plays every game. Call their bluff once in awhile if you want a better result.
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Whatever it was...Obama obviously thought it was something that a majority of the American People wouldn't approve of.