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Post by vilepagan on Feb 11, 2020 4:45:34 GMT -8
So what you're saying is that this kind of petty revenge happens all the time in the military. That's as may be but that doesn't mean we want our president behaving this way. Does it?
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Post by vilepagan on Feb 11, 2020 4:49:21 GMT -8
No one has anything to say about Vindman's brother being fired?
I didn't think so.
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Post by Bick on Feb 11, 2020 5:55:36 GMT -8
Was he not REMOVED not FIRED? I see all these headlines being run, I see it in this thread, yet he may have been removed from his post but reassigned and still in the Army. He was "reassigned". That's what happens when you go afoul in the military. Someone with a bigger hand can tell you where to go and what to do ... and the next thing you know you're in fricking Greenland on November 3, 1977 Rumor has it, the military isn't too keen on insubordination, and the CIC really does reign supreme. That's a concept that runs counterintuitive to both the apolitical nature of the military being run by an elected politician, and the freedom of speech guaranteed by the constitution. |
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Post by Zebra on Feb 11, 2020 7:55:45 GMT -8
He was "reassigned". That's what happens when you go afoul in the military. Someone with a bigger hand can tell you where to go and what to do ... and the next thing you know you're in fricking Greenland on November 3, 1977 Rumor has it, the military isn't too keen on insubordination, and the CIC really does reign supreme. That's a concept that runs counterintuitive to both the apolitical nature of the military being run by an elected politician, and the freedom of speech guaranteed by the constitution. It ain't a rumor, believe me ... and 2nd Lieutenants are complete assholes .. they'll toss you up for nothing because of their new little power trip. My daughter is a newly minted 2nd Lt just graduated from the Academy. My words to her were to be deaf, dumb and blind for the first couple of years and let her 1st Sgt be the teacher. She's taken to that well. Being in the military is about as socialist as you can get. |
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Post by davidsf on Feb 11, 2020 9:53:14 GMT -8
Every competent business person knows failure. They don’t let it stop them. The successful ones learn from it, dust themselves off, and go at it again. Failure is part of success, and one hopes you can also one day pick yourself up from the failure that is your life and eventually rise again to be a well adjusted human being. Anyone who has actually been on the hook knows this. I think Trump's success rate is well over 90% with his other 200+ enterprises over the years. Just cracks me up when I hear someone point to his failures as some evidence he's an incompetent business person. They may as well just stamp "Dumbass" on their forehead. I agree with that assessment, and I didn’t even need my useless MBA to know it. As to your last statement, Although, from what I recall from some other forum, someone’s photo is not clear, that stamp might already exist. |
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Post by Zebra on Feb 11, 2020 19:50:46 GMT -8
So what you're saying is that this kind of petty revenge happens all the time in the military. That's as may be but that doesn't mean we want our president behaving this way. Does it? I really don't care. It doesn't affect me in the least. The two Vindmans, the two Ambos, and the others work at the pleasure of the President. He could have bounced them earlier but then you'd be in the same frenzy, maybe even more. He waited until the farce was settled and then 86'd him, not uncommon at all. He's the CinC, why should he be any different? If someone doesn't like you or work well with you, you're get rid of them. Petty as it may be, you learn a lesson, or end up somewhere else until you do. I do like the way you characterize it as "revenge" … it's pure unadulterated power with these guys, revenge has nothing to do with it because they'd smoke you just for General Purposes sometimes. And sometimes you deserve it … been on both sides. #characterbuilding |
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Post by Credo on Feb 11, 2020 20:16:12 GMT -8
This brief article ought to lay to rest any "controversy" over the removal of Vindman from the NSC. It's not shrill or partisan--but merely lays out the obvious necessity of such a move.
Notice the pattern that has been at work since the day Trump was elected: every one of his nominees or appointees to positions within his administration is hysterically opposed by his opponents; and every time he dismisses or fires a person he is hysterically criticized. It's all just disingenuous noise by those who refuse to accept the fact that they were on the losing side of an election. In almost no case should this caterwauling be taken seriously.
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Post by vilepagan on Feb 12, 2020 11:35:49 GMT -8
Does it say anything about the removal of Vindman's brother?
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Post by Zebra on Feb 13, 2020 8:43:38 GMT -8
Does it say anything about the removal of Vindman's brother? His brother was reassigned also ... because he's his brother. Why would you keep an unhappy employee around that's most likely pissed because his brother got sent down? Charlie Yankee Alpha.. CYA covering your ass .... military isn't like real life where everything is "fair". This Vindman thing is a non starter. Brother pissed of his boss, and his boss is cleaning house of people that want to take him down. Pretty simple stuff once you realize life isn't "fair" although we would like it to be. |
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Post by Bick on Feb 15, 2020 7:59:53 GMT -8
Does it say anything about the removal of Vindman's brother? His brother was reassigned also ... because he's his brother. Why would you keep an unhappy employee around that's most likely pissed because his brother got sent down? Charlie Yankee Alpha.. CYA covering your ass .... military isn't like real life where everything is "fair". This Vindman thing is a non starter. Brother pissed of his boss, and his boss is cleaning house of people that want to take him down. Pretty simple stuff once you realize life isn't "fair" although we would like it to be. Who is Vindman's brother? Did his parents bother to give him a name? In seriousness, do you know what his role was? I didn't know he existed, let alone what he did, or why he was removed. |
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Post by MDDad on Feb 15, 2020 9:13:28 GMT -8
Apparently his brother, Yevgeny, was a lawyer on the National Security Council. Collateral damage, guilt by association, call it what you want. When you shoo a rat out of the house, the tail goes with him.
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Post by davidsf on Feb 15, 2020 10:20:43 GMT -8
It is irrelevant.
Fire him, keep him, promote him... it’s Trumps administration to appoint and dismiss whomever he will. In that regard, he doesn’t have to get permission or approval from anyone.
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Post by MDDad on Feb 15, 2020 11:09:26 GMT -8
True, but on the other hand, the huge turnover in that administration sure makes it look like Trump has no ability to vet or evaluate candidates.
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Post by davidsf on Feb 15, 2020 11:12:45 GMT -8
True, but on the other hand, the huge turnover in that administration sure makes it look like Trump has no ability to vet or evaluate candidates. Yep, I agree with that. Seems he is either incompetent at it himself, or he relies too heavily on the word(s) of others. in his defense, however, so far, his picks for judges DO seem to be panning out... but maybe those are too soon to tell? |
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Post by Bick on Feb 15, 2020 11:15:28 GMT -8
That also would be useful to compare turnover of presidential appointees within the first term.
But as a practical matter, the fact he came to office with no political office experience whatsoever, would be a reasonable explanation for not properly vetting his appointments.
Clearly, he has no problem ditching employees who show they don't fit. That's not necessarily a bad thing.
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