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Post by davidsf on May 30, 2020 6:19:26 GMT -8
This is a longer clip, but worth watching as this video blogger hits on all the main points about George Floyd’s murder:
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Post by SK80 on May 30, 2020 6:54:13 GMT -8
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Post by Oakley on May 30, 2020 17:21:56 GMT -8
Determining Mr. Floyd’s death could answer the question if the officer was racist or not. If the officer did not realize that it is dangerous to cut off the blood flow to the cartoid artery then he may have been simply ignorant. It’s hard to believe that he would knowingly kill somebody in full view of a group of people. Especially with cameras rolling.
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Post by MDDad on May 30, 2020 21:22:24 GMT -8
It's a little hard to imagine that a trained police officer doesn't know that cutting off the blood flow to the brain can kill someone.
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Post by RSM789 on May 30, 2020 23:31:33 GMT -8
I believe the senior police officer listed on his report that the cause of death was suicide... I don’t think we are talking about the same thing! George Floyd did not commit suicide. The cop killed him by pressing on his neck for about nine minutes. It was a joke, albeit not as good as Prof Fates comment that Covid19 killed him. |
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Post by RSM789 on May 31, 2020 0:04:57 GMT -8
The protests are interesting in the fact that I can not find a single person, publicly or privately, who defend the cops actions. The nation seems to be in 100% agreement that this was police brutality and that the cop deserved to be arrested & tried. Typically, you have a protest to motivate the powers that be to action and to also raise awareness of a situation to win people to your side. The cop has been arrested and the nation was in unison, so why the protests on Friday & Saturday? Were they done to purposely serve as a launch pad for the riots? I also thought through the "actions have consequences" postulation and the responsibility it can or can not bring. Working backwards, we have: - The riots & looting sprang from the peaceful protests, most likely by people who had no interest in protesting and just used the gatherings as cover to commit their crimes. The peaceful protests are not responsible for the riots, but if these protests had not been held, there would have been no rioting & looting;
- The officers brutality upon the victim sparked the protests. A case could be made that the officer is also responsible for the protests occurring, but it is a given that had the officer not brutalized & killed the victim, the protests never would have happened;
- The victims choice to break the law led to his interaction with the officer who killed him. The victim is completely not responsible for the officer killing him, however you can't dismiss the fact that had he not broken the law, he never would have had the run in with the police that day.
So one persons choice to pass counterfeit bills led to an interaction with a bad cop, who chose to murder the victim, leading to many people choosing to protest, which allowed criminals to use those protests as a context to riot & loot. There are no hero's in this story, just people who did things without contemplating what their actions could in turn lead to.
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Post by Oakley on May 31, 2020 1:01:05 GMT -8
It's a little hard to imagine that a trained police officer doesn't know that cutting off the blood flow to the brain can kill someone. My point is that perhaps he wasn’t trained. It’s hard to believe that he would kill someone in front of so many witnesses. The whole thing is bizarre. |
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Post by Oakley on May 31, 2020 1:03:16 GMT -8
I don’t think we are talking about the same thing! George Floyd did not commit suicide. The cop killed him by pressing on his neck for about nine minutes. It was a joke, albeit not as good as Prof Fates comment that Covid19 killed him. Okay, thanks for clearing that up. |
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Post by Bick on May 31, 2020 5:56:08 GMT -8
The protests are interesting in the fact that I can not find a single person, publicly or privately, who defend the cops actions. The nation seems to be in 100% agreement that this was police brutality and that the cop deserved to be arrested & tried. Typically, you have a protest to motivate the powers that be to action and to also raise awareness of a situation to win people to your side. The cop has been arrested and the nation was in unison, so why the protests on Friday & Saturday? Were they done to purposely serve as a launch pad for the riots? Exactly. All 4 were fired almost as soon as this became public, and the main guy was charged with M3. Wasn't acquitted. Everyone, including the racist president who caused this (according to Taylor swift & others) immediately condemned it as well. So what exactly do the real protesters want? I'm not talking about the antifa rioters...they just want an excuse to dress up and break things. I'm talking about the non violent protestors and leaders. What do THEY want? I'm not looking for hyperbole here either. |
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Post by MDDad on May 31, 2020 6:16:20 GMT -8
Everyone, including the racist president who caused this (according to Taylor swift & others) immediately condemned it as well. Why can't silly millionaire airheads like Taylor Swift ever keep their mouths shut? Swift lives in a world completely removed from the real one, and she has the social and political awareness and insights of a zucchini,. If she studied for a year, she might become as smart as AOC. |
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Post by RSM789 on May 31, 2020 9:56:25 GMT -8
I'm talking about the non violent protestors and leaders. What do THEY want? I'm not looking for hyperbole here either. As I thought about it more, I believe they want the other 3 officers arrested and "systemic change" to be made within society & police forces. The difficulty in arresting the other officers begins with 2 of the them being rookies. There is no way a 10 plus year veteran cop will do anything a rookie officer says or suggests. Literally, the only way the rookie could have stopped the situation would be to physically remove the other cop from being on top of the victim. Maybe he should have, it would have created a shit storm at the arrest site as well as back at the precinct. If you are going to arrest the rookie cops for not stopping the veteran cop, you will also need to to arrest the bystanders for not doing anything. Possibly the two rookie cops could have united in pulling the veteran off him, but in the same manner of the bystanders getting involved, every fiber of their body and mind told them they are not allowed to take control of this situation. Systemic change within society will only happen as our culture changes. There is room within police forces to not automatically protect bad cops or to haze younger cops for stopping/reporting abuse. At the same time, a young cop does not have the experience of a senior cop, so some of his actions & suggestions that seem to be a good idea could be putting all officers lives in danger. |
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Post by Bick on May 31, 2020 10:50:32 GMT -8
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Post by davidsf on May 31, 2020 11:14:44 GMT -8
Does anyone recall the riots up in Minneapolis in 2017 after that Somali cop shot and killed the unarmed blond Australian woman?
No? neither do I...
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Post by RSM789 on May 31, 2020 11:30:41 GMT -8
What is an example of a current policy that support what needs to be changed? I believe the policies are fine, it is the culture that could be altered. The automatic dislike of internal affairs by nearly all on the force, the idea that bad cops must be protected by good cops. Then again, that may not be a culture issue as much as a union issue. Unions are hostile to institutions that investigate their members and will always stand up for one of their members no matter how crooked or incompetent that individual may be. |
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Post by Bick on May 31, 2020 13:19:56 GMT -8
What is an example of a current policy that support what needs to be changed? I believe the policies are fine, it is the culture that could be altered. The automatic dislike of internal affairs by nearly all on the force, the idea that bad cops must be protected by good cops. Then again, that may not be a culture issue as much as a union issue. Unions are hostile to institutions that investigate their members and will always stand up for one of their members no matter how crooked or incompetent that individual may be.Now THIS I believe has some teeth. |
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