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Post by RSM789 on Jun 4, 2020 15:02:43 GMT -8
Yes, unions are bad, bad, bad. Having said that don't you think that shooting an unarmed black man or kneeling on his neck until he's dead might be evidence of racism to some people? That was not the point. All unions make it very difficult for their members to be fired from their positions. While that may not be an issue when we are dealing with grocery store workers, it is a large issue when dealing with occupations like teachers or police officers. Those unions need to take a step back and realize the harm they do to society when they fight to keep a cop with 18 complaints against him out on the street. Would you agree with that? If a police officer kneels on a guys neck until he is dead, there is no evidence of racism. There is only evidence of police brutality. Now if that officer has a history of brutality against a certain race, then it can be assume the reason for the brutality was racism. However, the crime wasn't racism, the crime was police brutality. The reason for the crime is actually irrelevant, because racism didn't kill the victim, the brutality did (or contributed greatly to it). If someone considers the brutality in & of itself to be evidence of racism , that means they are seeing the world through racist eyes. Every slight, every inconvenience, every remark is racism to that person. Someone cuts in line in front of you? Racist. A waitress is rude when you sit at a table for 90 minutes and only order a soda? Racist. You are hung over, haven't bathed in 3 days and are wearing the same clothes you slept in and someone doesn't avoids getting in an elevator with you? Racist. There are people who see racism in each and every act, and just because they consider their perspective to be evidence doesn't make it so. Would you agree with that? |
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Post by RSM789 on Jun 4, 2020 15:17:40 GMT -8
The fact that you think you made a good argument with this post illustrates how blind you are to the problem. How often do you think it's ok for a police officer to kill an unarmed black male? I wouldn't say he is blind to the problem, but you may not understand that being unarmed is not the same as being innocent. Just because a man (of any race) is unarmed does not mean said man was not a danger to a police officer or others. An unarmed man can try to grab a cops gun, an unarmed man can have a physical advantage over the officer and take advantage of it, an unarmed man can be putting another persons live in jeopardy with his fists or by threatening to throw them off a building. Unarmed does not equate to innocent nor undangerous (a word I just invented) So the answer to your question is "as often as is needed to stop an unarmed man from killing or greatly harming the officer or another human being". |
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Post by Bick on Jun 4, 2020 15:22:06 GMT -8
That was not the point. All unions make it very difficult for their members to be fired from their positions. While that may not be an issue when we are dealing with grocery store workers, it is a large issue when dealing with occupations like teachers or police officers. Those unions need to take a step back and realize the harm they do to society when they fight to keep a cop with 18 complaints against him out on the street. Would you agree with that? Most definitely. Assuming police management wanted him terminated, and couldn't, Floyd is still walking around today. Management is completely accountable for the behavior of its employees unless you've got interference from a buffer. |
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Post by Credo on Jun 4, 2020 20:33:27 GMT -8
The fact that you think you made a good argument with this post illustrates how blind you are to the problem.How often do you think it's ok for a police officer to kill an unarmed black male? I wouldn't say he is blind to the problem, but you may not understand that being unarmed is not the same as being innocent. Just because a man (of any race) is unarmed does not mean said man was not a danger to a police officer or others. An unarmed man can try to grab a cops gun, an unarmed man can have a physical advantage over the officer and take advantage of it, an unarmed man can be putting another persons live in jeopardy with his fists or by threatening to throw them off a building. Unarmed does not equate to innocent nor undangerous (a word I just invented) So the answer to your question is "as often as is needed to stop an unarmed man from killing or greatly harming the officer or another human being". It's actually a very relevant post, considering that, over the past ten days, dozens of people have been seriously injured, several killed, along with untold millions in property damage and lost employment have been perpetrated in the name of a false narrative of racist police hunting down unarmed black men by the hundreds and thousands. Here are some FACTS from the FBI and the Washington Post, for those who may be blinded by unfounded media talking points: - NINE unarmed blacks were shot and killed by police in 2019 (all of whom were in the process of committing a crime). This is not the "genocide" that's being claimed by many BLM activists. - TEN unarmed whites were shot and killed by police in 2019. How often do you think it's okay for police officers to be shot and killed by anyone regardless of race?
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Post by vilepagan on Jun 5, 2020 3:36:40 GMT -8
Yes, unions are bad, bad, bad. Having said that don't you think that shooting an unarmed black man or kneeling on his neck until he's dead might be evidence of racism to some people? That was not the point. All unions make it very difficult for their members to be fired from their positions. While that may not be an issue when we are dealing with grocery store workers, it is a large issue when dealing with occupations like teachers or police officers. Those unions need to take a step back and realize the harm they do to society when they fight to keep a cop with 18 complaints against him out on the street. Would you agree with that? sure[ If a police officer kneels on a guys neck until he is dead, there is no evidence of racism. and if it happens 20 times you understand why people might think racism was involved?If someone considers the brutality in & of itself to be evidence of racism , that means they are seeing the world through racist eyes. Every slight, every inconvenience, every remark is racism to that person. Someone cuts in line in front of you? Racist. A waitress is rude when you sit at a table for 90 minutes and only order a soda? Racist. You are hung over, haven't bathed in 3 days and are wearing the same clothes you slept in and someone doesn't avoids getting in an elevator with you? Racist. There are people who see racism in each and every act, and just because they consider their perspective to be evidence doesn't make it so. Would you agree with that? No...you trivialize the experience black people have. Try listening to them. Your mistake is assuming that your experiences with racism are the same as the experiences of blacks. |
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Post by vilepagan on Jun 5, 2020 3:43:53 GMT -8
I wouldn't say he is blind to the problem, but you may not understand that being unarmed is not the same as being innocent. Just because a man (of any race) is unarmed does not mean said man was not a danger to a police officer or others. An unarmed man can try to grab a cops gun, an unarmed man can have a physical advantage over the officer and take advantage of it, an unarmed man can be putting another persons live in jeopardy with his fists or by threatening to throw them off a building. Unarmed does not equate to innocent nor undangerous (a word I just invented) So the answer to your question is "as often as is needed to stop an unarmed man from killing or greatly harming the officer or another human being". It's actually a very relevant post, considering that, over the past ten days, dozens of people have been seriously injured, several killed, along with untold millions in property damage and lost employment have been perpetrated in the name of a false narrative of racist police hunting down unarmed black men by the hundreds and thousands. Part of the problem is when people post ridiculous claims like this. This doesn't help. You're taking a serious issue and lying about it so you can score some imaginary political point. Nobody ever claimed that the police were "hunting down unarmed black men by the hundreds and thousands". You are the one spreading a false narrative. This is a serious issue and it won't be solved as along as idiotic ideas like this are spread. |
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Post by thefrog on Jun 5, 2020 5:17:44 GMT -8
It's actually a very relevant post, considering that, over the past ten days, dozens of people have been seriously injured, several killed, along with untold millions in property damage and lost employment have been perpetrated in the name of a false narrative of racist police hunting down unarmed black men by the hundreds and thousands. Part of the problem is when people post ridiculous claims like this. This doesn't help. You're taking a serious issue and lying about it so you can score some imaginary political point. Nobody ever claimed that the police were "hunting down unarmed black men by the hundreds and thousands". You are the one spreading a false narrative. This is a serious issue and it won't be solved as along as idiotic ideas like this are spread. |
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Post by Bick on Jun 5, 2020 6:14:53 GMT -8
Yeah, Frog. You're way more influential than that basketball player with 46 million followers.
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Post by davidsf on Jun 5, 2020 6:16:07 GMT -8
Part of the problem is when people post ridiculous claims like this. This doesn't help. You're taking a serious issue and lying about it so you can score some imaginary political point. Nobody ever claimed that the police were "hunting down unarmed black men by the hundreds and thousands". You are the one spreading a false narrative. This is a serious issue and it won't be solved as along as idiotic ideas like this are spread. The serious issue is uninformed people, AND informed people into whose agenda the truth does not fit, glom onto a single event and build their outrage around it as if it is epidemic. George Floyd was ONE tragic event. Ahmaud Arbery was ONE tragic event. they occurred a thousand or so miles apart, different circumstances, different perpetrators, different intent. The ONLY similarity between the two was the color of the victims skin. So, obviously, your white privilege is to blame, so those committing those acts don’t need no trial: The victims were black, so OBVIOUSLY the mythical white man was a racist so OBVIOUSLY guilty. getting back to the topic of the thread, there IS NO systemic racism. Racism? Yes, it exists. We need to fight it wherever we find it, but Floyd and Arbery deaths were not part of some big plan to kill black men. They were separate, tragic events. There are NO Police training facilities or curricula that teach racism. There are no schools or organizations that plan racial bias or prejudice (unless it is liberal colleges that implicitly teach racism against whites)... you are either foolish or ignorant to promote such a mantra. |
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Post by thefrog on Jun 5, 2020 6:44:00 GMT -8
Yeah, Frog. You're way more influential than that basketball player with 46 million followers. Maybe I should lead the revolution |
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Post by Bick on Jun 5, 2020 6:52:45 GMT -8
Yeah, Frog. You're way more influential than that basketball player with 46 million followers. Maybe I should lead the revolution Do we have to shave our heads and paint them green in solidarity? |
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Post by thefrog on Jun 5, 2020 7:05:32 GMT -8
Maybe I should lead the revolution Do we have to shave our heads and paint them green in solidarity? Join me on my lily pad |
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Post by davidsf on Jun 5, 2020 7:07:12 GMT -8
It’s not easy being green... 🎶
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Post by RSM789 on Jun 5, 2020 7:14:04 GMT -8
and if it happens 20 times you understand why people might think racism was involved?No...you trivialize the experience black people have. Try listening to them. Your mistake is assuming that your experiences with racism are the same as the experiences of blacks. Of course if it happened 20 times BY THE SAME OFFICER, one could conclude that officer & that incident was racist. However, if looking at an individual incident, an officer putting his knee on the neck of a suspect does not change from police brutality to racism based on the color of the victims skin. In fact, it is actually racist to think it does. You are changing your thought process not based on evidence, but solely on the color of a persons skin. Racist. Pointing out other reasons for a persons actions is not trivializing it. Calling every slight in the world racism and distorting facts actually trivializes true racism. Their perception may be their reality, but that does not make it true reality. There are thousands of folks whose experiences have led them to believe that Elvis is alive. I'll listen to those folks as well, but when their experiences clash with reality and you can obviously see a defect in their perception of events, then I have no reason to agree with their conclusion, be it that Elvis is alive or that every police encounter with a black man is rife with racism. I say the following not to insult you, but to drive home a point. You side with those who claim racism at every step because you do the same thing when it comes to bigotry towards gay people. You believe people argue with you or don't like you because you are gay, when that has nothing to do with it. You try to use your sexual orientation as a shield against the real reasons why you have negative interactions with so many people. Some black people use their skin color in the same manner. |
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Post by RSM789 on Jun 5, 2020 7:17:59 GMT -8
Nobody ever claimed that the police were "hunting down unarmed black men by the hundreds and thousands". . That Nobody plays for the Lakers as Frog pointed out, in case you didn't get the connection. So are you saying that Lebron James is spreading a false narrative? |
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