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Post by thefrog on Jun 24, 2020 14:44:38 GMT -8
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Post by RSM789 on Jun 24, 2020 20:52:50 GMT -8
How about it? What did I say that was false? I think NASCAR knew what their pull-cords look like and that this one was tied into a noose..no "mistake". According to the FBI they found a noose...no indication that all the pull-cords are fashioned into nooses...just the one. They also found that it had been this way for some time and thus no criminal charges were to be filed. I do think it's likely that NASCAR contacted the FBI out of a sense of caution in the tense times we live in, but there's been no indication other than the febrile rantings of our resident lefty-hater that this was a "hoax" or any kind of deliberate attempt to mislead anyone. Translation - |
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Post by SK80 on Jun 24, 2020 21:16:36 GMT -8
Peepz, the victim Jessie Bubba is walking this back... more #FakeNews
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Post by MDDad on Jun 24, 2020 21:35:42 GMT -8
The real issue in cases like this is not whether it was a tiny noose or a finger loop. It's that this is yet another example of how the left instantly jumps to the worst possible conclusions before any of the details of a case are known, how they always default to the "racism" position, and how they immediately crucify the right, conservatives, Republicans, Trump supporters, Southerners, cops or white people in general for motives they rarely have.
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Post by Credo on Jun 24, 2020 22:57:24 GMT -8
Bubba Wallace, Steve Phelps of NASCAR, and everyone else involved in foisting this false narrative upon the public ought to go back and read the story of The Boy Who Cried Wolf. But in this case there isn't even a Wolf out there; it's nothing more than a mouse, if that.
What I find interesting is the thread connecting Colin Kaepernick, Jussie Smollett, and Bubba Wallace. All three are bi-racial and all three were raised in relatively affluent families. Yet despite making millions of dollars while enjoying the admiration of large numbers of Americans of all races, each has deliberately decided to identify themselves with the causes of racial victimhood. What's going on here?
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Post by vilepagan on Jun 25, 2020 0:59:30 GMT -8
I see... Perhaps if you told me in your own words what it was that I got wrong and for which I need to apologize. Seriously. I'm at a loss. I never claimed this was a racist statement by anyone. I don't recall ever saying anything about the noose that was found other than it was a noose. I suggested letting the FBI conclude their investigation, and I called other theories about the noose "absurd" and "ridiculous", mostly because they were accusatory and made without evidence. If I had gone down the Credo path and said that this noose was obviously an attempt to intimidate Bubba Wallace by a bunch of ignorant redneck Republican idiots...then I'd owe you an apology, As it stands I fail to see what you think I was so wrong about I need to apologize. You said guys here were silly for concluding this was a big nothing burger after seeing the photo of the "noose" in a photo at Talladega. That qualifies as evidence in my book for the purposes of chat room banter. Ok, fair enough. Since you've been so nice about it Bick, to you I apologize. To the...person(s) who are talking about a 'hoax' I do not apologize. I hope that's enough for chat-room banter purposes.  |
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Post by davidsf on Jun 25, 2020 5:07:35 GMT -8
How about it? What did I say that was false? I think NASCAR knew what their pull-cords look like and that this one was tied into a noose..no "mistake". According to the FBI they found a noose...no indication that all the pull-cords are fashioned into nooses...just the one. They also found that it had been this way for some time and thus no criminal charges were to be filed. I do think it's likely that NASCAR contacted the FBI out of a sense of caution in the tense times we live in, but there's been no indication other than the febrile rantings of our resident lefty-hater that this was a "hoax" or any kind of deliberate attempt to mislead no, Buttwipe, you assume in error. The pull ropes, according to the FBI, had been tied in that fashion since at least October of last year (when the photographs they looked at were taken). And there were not pull ropes tied up like that JUST in Bubba’s garage which had only just been assigned so someone in the administration would have had to race out to that garage and tie that garage door pull rope ahead of Bubba’s crew. Your attempt to switch “many” or “most” pull ropes to “all” pull ropes is laughable. You don’t even get a star for the vain effort. your ASS-umptions are just too ridiculous and you cling tenaciously to them despite overwhelming and clear evidence you’re wrong. you're already in too deep, but you just keep on digging. |
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Post by Bick on Jun 25, 2020 6:52:24 GMT -8
You said guys here were silly for concluding this was a big nothing burger after seeing the photo of the "noose" in a photo at Talladega. That qualifies as evidence in my book for the purposes of chat room banter. Ok, fair enough. Since you've been so nice about it Bick, to you I apologize. To the...person(s) who are talking about a 'hoax' I do not apologize. I hope that's enough for chat-room banter purposes. Just so we're clear, I wasn't looking to extract a direct apology from you, even though after reading what I posted you could certainly make that argument. My point was that it's a lot more enjoyable to be able to have conversations with people who can easily admit error or the fact they really may not be fully versed in the subject matter. I've really got no interest engaging in a conversation with people who can't or won't. That said, I do appreciate the gesture. Thank you. |
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Post by vilepagan on Jun 25, 2020 7:25:37 GMT -8
no, Buttwipe, you assume in error. Hey shit-for-brains...since you have nothing intelligent to say and insist on acting like a five-year-old, go back to pretending you don't read my posts. Thank you. |
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Post by RSM789 on Jun 25, 2020 8:40:25 GMT -8
Bubba Wallace, Steve Phelps of NASCAR, and everyone else involved in foisting this false narrative upon the public ought to go back and read the story of The Boy Who Cried Wolf. But in this case there isn't even a Wolf out there; it's nothing more than a mouse, if that. What I find interesting is the thread connecting Colin Kaepernick, Jussie Smollett, and Bubba Wallace. All three are bi-racial and all three were raised in relatively affluent families. Yet despite making millions of dollars while enjoying the admiration of large numbers of Americans of all races, each has deliberately decided to identify themselves with the causes of racial victimhood. What's going on here? Along those lines, I think it is useful to consider what the consequences will be as this continues. In my opinion, many other races will just choose to live lives that avoid any interaction with blacks. Why hire a black person if you know it will end up with an unjustified lawsuit for racial harassment? Why have a black friend if you know it will end up in you being falsely accused of doing something racially insensitive? Why do business with a black person if you know the end result will be claims of racism that are unfounded? I can see a world where the black community gets isolated from many other races in the country, just because these other races have no interest in being falsely accused. |
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Post by vilepagan on Jun 25, 2020 12:36:15 GMT -8
Ok, fair enough. Since you've been so nice about it Bick, to you I apologize. To the...person(s) who are talking about a 'hoax' I do not apologize. I hope that's enough for chat-room banter purposes. Just so we're clear, I wasn't looking to extract a direct apology from you, even though after reading what I posted you could certainly make that argument. My point was that it's a lot more enjoyable to be able to have conversations with people who can easily admit error or the fact they really may not be fully versed in the subject matter. I've really got no interest engaging in a conversation with people who can't or won't. That said, I do appreciate the gesture. Thank you. No problem Bick, and thank you for being so gracious. On the topic of the thread FOX News had this to say today: NASCAR has released the first official image of the garage door pull-rope fashioned into a noose-style knot that was found in Bubba Wallace’s garage at Talladega Superspeedway on Sunday and said that an internal investigation determined it was the only one present at any of the 29 tracks it visits.www.foxnews.com/auto/nascar-releases-photo-noose-bubba-wallaces-garageYou can see a picture of the noose if you click the link. The article also points out: The discovery led to an FBI hate crime probe that determined it had been there since at least last October and was not directed at Wallace. The Richard Petty Motorsports driver has been a vocal supporter of the Black Lives Matter movement and was instrumental in NASCAR’s recent decision to ban the Confederate flag at its events.
NASCAR President Steve Phelps said that he should have used the word “alleged” and taken some of the emotion out of the initial announcement of the discovery on Monday, in which he referred to it as a “heinous act,” which was followed by an outpouring of support for Wallace from the NASCAR field ahead of the start of the Geico 500 later that day.I certainly agree that NASCAR could have been a bit more circumspect in their initial announcement, but I also think that given that this was the only noose found and Mr. Wallace had been a bit vocal in his support for various black causes recently I do understand why NASCAR wanted the FBI to look at this incident. Lastly, I want to add that the article also says: Phelps said he is bothered that it hadn't registered with anyone sooner, but reconfirmed that Wallace's team had nothing to do with it, which has been alleged by some on social media.I wonder if anyone will apologize for falsely insinuating that Wallace was complicit in this alleged "hoax"? What do you think Bick? |
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Post by Luca on Jun 25, 2020 12:48:32 GMT -8
You can see a picture of the noose if you click the link. It does look like a noose. You'd think the guy who did it 6 months ago or whenever would just come forward and say "Yeah, that was me. What's the problem?"..............................Luca |
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Post by RSM789 on Jun 25, 2020 12:54:32 GMT -8
To be accurate, that rope was not tied into a noose, it was tied into a loop. A noose slides up in order to tighten when pulled while a loop doesn't adjust either way.
The fact that a loop looks like a noose is not a reason to call a loop a noose, it just promotes ignorance.
What Wallace was guilty of was going on CNN & castigating a large group of people for something that didn't happen and a sentiment that doesn't exist. Wallace has fears of prejudice & racism and derided people who haven't been prejudiced or practiced racism based on his fears rather than their actions. VilePagan, You have probably experienced a similar sort of bigotry when someone finds out you are gay and then, because they incorrectly fear that gay men are pedophiles, accuse you of molesting children. The problem is with their misplaced fear, not your actions.
Wallace owes an apology to those he accused of bigotry.
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Post by Luca on Jun 25, 2020 13:15:52 GMT -8
To be accurate, that rope was not tied into a noose, it was tied into a loop. A noose slides up in order to tighten when pulled while a loop doesn't adjust either way. The fact that a loop looks like a noose is not a reason to call a loop a noose, it just promotes ignorance. Silly me. I guess this is what everybody's raging about when they talk about "fake noose."...........................Luca |
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Post by RSM789 on Jun 25, 2020 15:27:08 GMT -8
To be accurate, that rope was not tied into a noose, it was tied into a loop. A noose slides up in order to tighten when pulled while a loop doesn't adjust either way. The fact that a loop looks like a noose is not a reason to call a loop a noose, it just promotes ignorance. Silly me. I guess this is what everybody's raging about when they talk about "fake noose."...........................Luca Actually, my response was to VP, I just didn't use the quote function & you slipped your response in before mine. He was talking about how it was a noose. Sorry for the confusion. |
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