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Post by MDDad on Jun 26, 2020 7:53:03 GMT -8
If there's a "Bimini Twist Knot" hanging from a garage door at a NASCAR race in the deep South where most of the drivers, pit crews and fans are good-old-boy rednecks, it's a noose.
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Post by RSM789 on Jun 26, 2020 19:30:10 GMT -8
To be accurate, that rope was not tied into a noose, it was tied into a loop. A noose slides up in order to tighten when pulled while a loop doesn't adjust either way. The fact that a loop looks like a noose is not a reason to call a loop a noose, it just promotes ignorance. It looks like a noose. The FBI called it a noose...they didn't call it a simulated noose or say it looked like a noose, they said it was a noose. The fact that it looks like a noose is an excellent reason to call it a noose. If it looked like a noose and if it was put there with the idea it would intimidate someone you wouldn't be here claiming it wasn't a functional noose so no harm no foul, right? BTW, how do you know the noose isn't functional...did you put it there? I know it isn't a "functional noose" because then it would not work for what it was intended. If you grabbed a noose & pulled to close a garage door, it would tighten around your hand and would be a pain to remove. A loop allows you to grab & pull without the loop changing size or constricting around your hand. Anyone old enough to remember garage doors before automatic garage door openers has seen that rope with a loop hundreds of times. As far as what other people, including the FBI, are calling it is irrelevant. It is not a noose, it is a loop. No matter how many people call it a noose, it won't magically transform & change its properties to become a noose. it is a rope with a loop on it. The importance of calling it what it actually is that helps get away from the nonsense that it was put there to intimidate someone. It was put there to assist pulling down a door, nothing more. If you or NASCAR or Bubba Wallace saw this loop as a noose and then thought it was a racial attack, that shows that the problem is with you. The continued wish to call it a noose even though it isn't boils down to wanting to drive home a narrative. If the original story said there was a rope with a loop on it, people would have realized that it was a giant nothing burger. Instead, you and others continued to want to describe the rope as being a noose in an ill fated effort to keep a racist narrative alive.
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Post by RSM789 on Jun 26, 2020 19:41:19 GMT -8
If there's a "Bimini Twist Knot" hanging from a garage door at a NASCAR race in the deep South where most of the drivers, pit crews and fans are good-old-boy rednecks, it's a noose. That is as bigoted a statement as you can get and patently incorrect. If you want to continue the narrative that southerners are rednecks, then you would have to acknowledge that said rednecks hunt and fish, that they are basic outdoorsmen. One area that outdoorsmen are well versed in is knots, because different types of knots have different uses. There is not a single person who spends much time outdoors who would call a twist knot a noose, because they know how to tie both and can see the difference immediately. MDDad, I know you are well versed about Robert E Lee. However, I am going to make an assumption that fishing & hunting have not played a major role in your life and that you have not spent a significant amount of time in the South. Am I correct?
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Post by MDDad on Jun 26, 2020 21:36:52 GMT -8
If there's a "Bimini Twist Knot" hanging from a garage door at a NASCAR race in the deep South where most of the drivers, pit crews and fans are good-old-boy rednecks, it's a noose. That is as bigoted a statement as you can get and patently incorrect.If you want to continue the narrative that southerners are rednecks, then you would have to acknowledge that said rednecks hunt and fish, that they are basic outdoorsmen. One area that outdoorsmen are well versed in is knots, because different types of knots have different uses. There is not a single person who spends much time outdoors who would call a twist knot a noose, because they know how to tie both and can see the difference immediately. MDDad, I know you are well versed about Robert E Lee. However, I am going to make an assumption that fishing & hunting have not played a major role in your life and that you have not spent a significant amount of time in the South. Am I correct? Your first statement is also patently incorrect. I'll bet in five minutes I can come with 50 statements that are much more bigoted than what I wrote. I have fished any number of times, but my hunting experience is limited to one outing with my uncle. I shot a blackbird with a shotgun and all that remained was a small puff of feathers, kind of like when Randy Johnson unleashed on that pigeon. That was it for me. I have spent some time in Virginia, Florida and Atlanta, but it was very limited. And if what I thought was a pretty good redneck joke sailed over your head, I'll have to reconsider my entire approach.
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Post by Bick on Jun 27, 2020 3:13:05 GMT -8
Meet the Colin kapernick of Nascar
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Post by vilepagan on Jun 27, 2020 3:33:58 GMT -8
Of course it looks like a noose, and yes most lay people would call it a noose...I'm also quite sure that most clergy would call that a noose. I'm unclear what statements you attribute to Mr. Wallace that you consider "overplaying the race card"...every statement I saw that was attributed to him stated he was outraged by the noose and he hoped the FBI would get to the bottom of it...if you could direct me to one of his outrageous comments I'd appreciate it. /photo/1 Thanks Bick, yeah he shouldn't have said that.
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Post by vilepagan on Jun 27, 2020 3:38:45 GMT -8
It looks like a noose. The FBI called it a noose...they didn't call it a simulated noose or say it looked like a noose, they said it was a noose. The fact that it looks like a noose is an excellent reason to call it a noose. If it looked like a noose and if it was put there with the idea it would intimidate someone you wouldn't be here claiming it wasn't a functional noose so no harm no foul, right? BTW, how do you know the noose isn't functional...did you put it there? As far as what other people, including the FBI, are calling it is irrelevant. It is not a noose, it is a loop. No matter how many people call it a noose, it won't magically transform & change its properties to become a noose. it is a rope with a loop on it. The importance of calling it what it actually is that helps get away from the nonsense that it was put there to intimidate someone. It was put there to assist pulling down a door, nothing more. If you or NASCAR or Bubba Wallace saw this loop as a noose and then thought it was a racial attack, that shows that the problem is with you. The continued wish to call it a noose even though it isn't boils down to wanting to drive home a narrative. If the original story said there was a rope with a loop on it, people would have realized that it was a giant nothing burger. Instead, you and others continued to want to describe the rope as being a noose in an ill fated effort to keep a racist narrative alive. Your opinions of what others want are no more informed or accurate than your claim about the noose. Your view that the opinions of others including the FBI are "irrelevant" is just laughable. Who made you the expert and the authority on nooses?
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Post by davidsf on Jun 27, 2020 6:44:22 GMT -8
It looks like a noose. The FBI called it a noose...they didn't call it a simulated noose or say it looked like a noose, they said it was a noose. The fact that it looks like a noose is an excellent reason to call it a noose. If it looked like a noose and if it was put there with the idea it would intimidate someone you wouldn't be here claiming it wasn't a functional noose so no harm no foul, right? BTW, how do you know the noose isn't functional...did you put it there?
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Post by vilepagan on Jun 27, 2020 7:50:42 GMT -8
Oh dave, you poor, poor man.
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Post by RSM789 on Jun 29, 2020 19:44:03 GMT -8
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Post by Credo on Jun 29, 2020 20:13:20 GMT -8
You did knot just go there....
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Post by Credo on Jul 6, 2020 10:07:51 GMT -8
There was KNOT a noose. It was all a HOAX.
The so-called "noose" clearly was not hanging over the car, and it clearly wasn’t a “noose” or it wouldn’t function to help pull the door down. Driver Bubba Wallace later called it “a non-functioning noose.” Or, in simple terms, a garage pull-down rope with a loop-knot tied in the end.
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Post by vilepagan on Jul 7, 2020 2:51:13 GMT -8
I don't why but some people can be shown a picture of a noose and yet claim they saw something else. I saw a noose. So did the FBI. Carry on.
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Post by Oakley on Jul 7, 2020 4:29:55 GMT -8
I don't why but some people can be shown a picture of a noose and yet claim they saw something else. I saw a noose. So did the FBI. Carry on. It has been clearly explained that it was not a functional working noose because it would have been useless as a door pull. Wallace made a big f***ing deal out of nothing in order to gain publicity for himself and it blew up in his face. It made him look like a grandstanding idiot, which is exactly what he is.
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Post by MDDad on Jul 7, 2020 6:05:46 GMT -8
I don't why but some people can be shown a picture of a noose and yet claim they saw something else. I saw a noose. So did the FBI. Carry on. And some people can be shown a picture of a pull-string and see a noose. Tomatoes, toMAHtoes.
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