Post by davidsf on Jul 9, 2020 7:52:02 GMT -8
I’m not sure how this will work, but the Professor responded over in the RIP thread, and I think my response to a part of his comment fits better over here.
ProfessorFate said:
I’be bolded the part to which I want to respond here:
i have observed for a very long time, by and large, today’s adult has no idea what “love” is. Most frequently, we confuse it with “lust” or with some other emotion/feeling, but my unofficial survey-by-observation concludes very few know what it really is.
I am not a Greek scholar, but I did sit under Chuck Swindoll’s ministry for many years.
As I understand it, the New Testament Greek has three words we have translated as “love.”
when I hear an abused woman returning to her abuser claiming “but I still love him” ... I shake my head sadly, because that isn’t love. As Professor said, “...she may have had something missing from her relationship with _____________.”
ProfessorFate said:
Jul 9, 2020 1:03:32 GMT -5 ProfessorFate said:
That child could probably, at 13 (he was 13 when the affair became physical), years old, kick Vile Pagan's arse with one hand tied behind his back. He was a father twice at the age of 15.
There's so much we don't know. There was a hint of sexual abuse as a child in the movie version. Who knows if that was true, but if it was, how did that affect her behavior? Was she a nympho? I'm fairly sure that answer to that is no. Nymphos have many different lovers. What was her relationship with her first husband? A lot we don't know there.
As far as her needing to "get her button off," I'm thinking that was secondary to her feelings for this kid. She truly seemed to "love" him. I'm not sure she really knew what she was feeling to be honest. She definitely was impressed by his talent as an artist. I don't know what that means, but perhaps it was like a woman swooning over the poems of a John Keats, or a Percy Bysshe Shelley. (Maybe poor examples, because poetry was never my forte). But who knows...she may have felt something that was missing in her relationship with her first husband.
Still very poor decision making, and she had children by that first marriage.I wonder if there was ever any contact with those children after that family broke apart.
Like Davidsf and I said, hopefully she turned to Our Lord for forgiveness, before she passed away.
That child could probably, at 13 (he was 13 when the affair became physical), years old, kick Vile Pagan's arse with one hand tied behind his back. He was a father twice at the age of 15.
There's so much we don't know. There was a hint of sexual abuse as a child in the movie version. Who knows if that was true, but if it was, how did that affect her behavior? Was she a nympho? I'm fairly sure that answer to that is no. Nymphos have many different lovers. What was her relationship with her first husband? A lot we don't know there.
As far as her needing to "get her button off," I'm thinking that was secondary to her feelings for this kid. She truly seemed to "love" him. I'm not sure she really knew what she was feeling to be honest. She definitely was impressed by his talent as an artist. I don't know what that means, but perhaps it was like a woman swooning over the poems of a John Keats, or a Percy Bysshe Shelley. (Maybe poor examples, because poetry was never my forte). But who knows...she may have felt something that was missing in her relationship with her first husband.
Still very poor decision making, and she had children by that first marriage.I wonder if there was ever any contact with those children after that family broke apart.
Like Davidsf and I said, hopefully she turned to Our Lord for forgiveness, before she passed away.
I’be bolded the part to which I want to respond here:
i have observed for a very long time, by and large, today’s adult has no idea what “love” is. Most frequently, we confuse it with “lust” or with some other emotion/feeling, but my unofficial survey-by-observation concludes very few know what it really is.
I am not a Greek scholar, but I did sit under Chuck Swindoll’s ministry for many years.
As I understand it, the New Testament Greek has three words we have translated as “love.”
- Eros: from which we get our word “erotic.” Thus “love” is more of a mutual desire for fulfillment. It lasts as long as that fulfillment lasts. Once it is gone or many times even diminishes, the “love” is gone, too.
- Fileo (or I’ve seen it spelled Phileo): from which we get “filial:” It is commonly seen as “brotherly love” but can also be lost if it is not returned or if it is not returned in the “right” way.
- Agape: THE love. It is not an emotion, so much as a commitment. This “love” says “I am primarily concerned with your well being.” When others leave, the agape stays. It sticks through the mess of life, and even remains if one is not committed. This is the love God has for us, and the basis for our salvation.
when I hear an abused woman returning to her abuser claiming “but I still love him” ... I shake my head sadly, because that isn’t love. As Professor said, “...she may have had something missing from her relationship with _____________.”