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Post by vilepagan on Aug 4, 2020 2:15:17 GMT -8
... When was the last time one has seen an agnostic food kitchen, or an atheistic hospital? I would suggest against grouping agnostics with atheists. Not only are their belief systems very different, their view of Christianity is different. I would suggest asking an atheist or agnostic if you want to know what they believe. |
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Post by vilepagan on Aug 4, 2020 2:18:49 GMT -8
Shriners have their roots with the Masons, right? Don't they have to also acknowledge a Supreme Being in order to join? The Knights Templar is one of the foundational groups of the Masons. I grew up next door to a Shriner. Look up the origins of Feeding America (fka St Mary's Food Bank) , and it's founder, John von Hengel. The restaurant franchise I belong to has supported Feeding America since we opened. It wasn't the origins of the charity that I was interested in, just what they are now, and that's a secular organization. The idea that charity is predominantly an activity of the religious is untrue. |
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Post by Bick on Aug 4, 2020 6:03:21 GMT -8
So your point is that those 2 examples of food and hospital charities aren't necessarily operated by people of the cloth?
Seemed to me that Reach was saying those types of charities were a function of a faith based belief system, and not who was working there.
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Post by RSM789 on Aug 4, 2020 19:09:46 GMT -8
I would suggest against grouping agnostics with atheists. Not only are their belief systems very different, their view of Christianity is different. I would suggest asking an atheist or agnostic if you want to know what they believe. I would suggest you don't assume I haven't... |
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Post by RSM789 on Aug 4, 2020 19:19:36 GMT -8
The idea that charity is predominantly an activity of the religious is untrue. Incorrect. Statistically, those who live in the south give the most to charities, while those who live in the Northeast give the least. The south is known for its inhabitants being religous, the northeast not so much. Further, the map of charitable giving tends to mirror that of the presidential elections. Red states make up the top giving states while blue states make up the least giving states. |
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Post by davidsf on Aug 4, 2020 19:39:02 GMT -8
Jesus said to take care of the widows and orphans. Jesus, himself, spent his time with society’s dregs, criminals, and downtrodden.
If you have wasted time calculating who gives how much to whom, you have missed the point.
To a Christ follower, giving time, skill or money is a fact of life... not a mandate, not a checklist, not a tabulation.
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Post by MDDad on Aug 4, 2020 21:26:56 GMT -8
Incorrect. Statistically, those who live in the south give the most to charities, while those who live in the Northeast give the least. The south is known for its inhabitants being religous, the northeast not so much. Further, the map of charitable giving tends to mirror that of the presidential elections. Red states make up the top giving states while blue states make up the least giving states. Absolutely correct, and just the umpteenth example of leftist hypocrisy. They are all for sharing and the redistribution of wealth, as long as it isn't their own. |
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Post by Credo on Sept 8, 2020 9:35:50 GMT -8
Today, September 8, the Church commemorates the Birth of Mary--nine months following the Solemnity of the Immaculate Conception on December 8. The feast day dates back to the 6th century, likely an outgrowth of the decree of the Council of Ephesus (431) which affirmed Mary as Theotokos ("Mother of God" or "God-bearer").  |
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Post by Credo on Sept 17, 2020 22:03:28 GMT -8
If the President of any Ivy League college said this today he'd be fired before sunset.
How far we have fallen...
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Post by vilepagan on Sept 21, 2020 3:02:57 GMT -8
How far we have fallen... Indeed...this is an open letter written by a Christian Pastor...a real Christian. Dear White Evangelicals,
I need to tell you something: People have had it with you.
They’re done.
They want nothing to do with you any longer, and here’s why:
They see your hypocrisy, your inconsistency, your incredibly selective mercy, and your thinly veiled supremacy.
For eight years they watched you relentlessly demonize a black President; a man faithfully married for 26 years; a doting father and husband without a hint of moral scandal or the slightest whiff of infidelity.
They watched you deny his personal faith convictions, argue his birthplace, and assail his character—all without cause or evidence. They saw you brandish Scriptures to malign him and use the laziest of racial stereotypes in criticizing him.
And through it all, White Evangelicals—you never once suggested that God placed him where he was,
you never publicly offered prayers for him and his family,
you never welcomed him to your Christian Universities,
you never gave him the benefit of the doubt in any instance,
you never spoke of offering him forgiveness or mercy,
your evangelists never publicly thanked God for his leadership,
your pastors never took to the pulpit to offer solidarity with him,
you never made any effort to affirm his humanity or show the love of Jesus to him in any quantifiable measure.
You violently opposed him at every single turn—without offering a single ounce of the grace you claim as the heart of your faith tradition. You jettisoned Jesus as you dispensed damnation on him.
And yet you give carte blanche to a white Republican man so riddled with depravity, so littered with extramarital affairs, so unapologetically vile, with such a vast resume of moral filth—that the mind boggles.
And the change in you is unmistakable. It has been an astonishing conversion to behold: a being born again.
With him, you suddenly find religion.
With him, you’re now willing to offer full absolution.
With him, all is forgiven without repentance or admission.
With him you’re suddenly able to see some invisible, deeply buried heart.
With him, sin has become unimportant, compassion no longer a requirement.
With him, you see only Providence.
And White Evangelicals, all those people who have had it with you—they see it all clearly.
They recognize the toxic source of your inconsistency.
They see that pigmentation and party are your sole deities.
They see that you aren’t interested in perpetuating the love of God or emulating the heart of Jesus.
They see that you aren’t burdened to love the least, or to be agents of compassion, or to care for your Muslim, gay, African, female, or poor neighbors as yourself.
They see that all you’re really interested in doing, is making a God in your own ivory image and demanding that the world bow down to it.
They recognize this all about white, Republican Jesus—not dark-skinned Jesus of Nazareth.
And I know you don’t realize it, but you’re digging your own grave in these days; the grave of your very faith tradition.
Your willingness to align yourself with cruelty is a costly marriage. Yes, you’ve gained a Supreme Court seat, a few months with the Presidency as a mouthpiece, and the cheap high of temporary power—but you’ve lost a whole lot more.
You’ve lost an audience with millions of wise, decent, good-hearted, faithful people with eyes to see this ugliness.
You’ve lost any moral high ground or spiritual authority with a generation.
You’ve lost any semblance of Christlikeness.
You’ve lost the plot.
And most of all you’ve lost your soul.
I know it’s likely you’ll dismiss these words. The fact that you’ve even made your bed with such malevolence, shows how far gone you are and how insulated you are from the reality in front of you.
But I had to at least try to reach you. It’s what Jesus would do.
Maybe you need to read what he said again—if he still matters to you.johnpavlovitz.com/2018/01/24/white-evangelicals-people/Good words. |
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Post by vilepagan on Sept 26, 2020 3:18:33 GMT -8
Wow, I didn't think anyone could rebut the fine pastor's words but I thought someone would have the courage to try...guess I was wrong. All I got was a stupid picture of Bill Barr.
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Post by ProfessorFate on Sept 26, 2020 13:49:44 GMT -8
Wow, I didn't think anyone could rebut the fine pastor's words but I thought someone would have the courage to try...guess I was wrong. All I got was a stupid picture of Bill Barr. Didn't even read it. There are something like 350 million people in this country. Are we supposed to be surprised that there is one pastor who doesn't like Trump? GTFOH |
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Post by Credo on Sept 26, 2020 14:24:24 GMT -8
Wow, I didn't think anyone could rebut the fine pastor's words but I thought someone would have the courage to try...guess I was wrong. All I got was a stupid picture of Bill Barr. Didn't even read it. There are something like 350 million people in this country. Are we supposed to be surprised that there is one pastor who doesn't like Trump? GTFOH Why VP would think anyone would waste their time by trying to rebut his thoughts is beyond me. His posts are hidden from me, as they are not worth the time to even read. While he may obsessed with me, the feeling is not mutual. |
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