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Post by MDDad on Oct 23, 2020 13:06:54 GMT -8
This "500+ kids from their parents" story brought up by Biden last night is another hoax. There's no way the parents of these kids aren't banging down the door to claim their children. Most likely they were brought across the border by trafficers. I agree. It's impossible to believe the government is looking for the parents of 500 kids at the same time those 1,000 parents are looking for their kids, and the two efforts haven't made connection. It's much more likely those kids were brought across the border by people not their parents, or their parents place more value on not getting deported than they do on reuniting with their children. I hope it's the former.
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Post by RSM789 on Oct 23, 2020 13:30:36 GMT -8
... It's much more likely those kids were brought across the border by people not their parents, or their parents place more value on not getting deported than they do on reuniting with their children... Then again, remember these are Mexican & Central American kids, whose parents are Catholic, so they probably have a dozen siblings. The parents might not have even noticed yet that the kids are missing or figured it is easier just to pop out another one to replace them.. Plus they aren't of much value until they are strong enough to work in the fields. The parents may not claim them until their quinceanera.
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Post by Credo on Oct 23, 2020 14:25:24 GMT -8
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Post by Oakley on Oct 23, 2020 14:33:46 GMT -8
Boy, I don't know what debate you guys watched last night. Do you all buy your rose-colored glasses at the same store? I am interested in your opinion of the debate. How did you see it?
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Post by SK80 on Oct 24, 2020 4:51:27 GMT -8
Oakley, I thought it was one sided, Trump in control of the debate, and mostly himself. Here is a good pice written by Piers Morgan, not a Trump supporter by any mean. To me he represents much of what MDDad and many others say, feel and think about Trump. I think Trump may have won over a few but more so that Biden LOST a few more.
PIERS MORGAN: Last night’s tamed and muzzled Trump exposed nice-guy Biden’s flaws in a way that the ranting deluded Trump totally failed to do - and may just yet save his presidency
‘I generally avoid temptation,’ said actress Mae West, ‘unless I can’t resist it.’
My mind turned to this wonderful quote numerous times during last night’s second and final presidential debate as I watched Donald Trump’s face.
Time and again, I could tell he was itching to take the gloves off and start ranting abusively and personally at his opponent Joe Biden, as he had done in the first debate.
But to my astonishment, instead of succumbing to his basest instincts, Trump pursed his lips, screwed up his cheeks, grimaced, scowled and, for the most part, avoided temptation.
Instead of the ranting, deluded, narcissistic buffoon we got last time, this was a far calmer, measured, focused, well-prepared, non-scary and even empathetic performance by the president.
Time and again, I could tell Donald Trump was itching to take the gloves off and start ranting abusively and personally at his opponent Joe Biden, as he had done in the first debate. Trump is pictured at the final presidential debate on Thursday
We saw a new, tamer Trump and I liked it as much as I was surprised by it.
So did others.
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Post by Oakley on Oct 24, 2020 18:30:02 GMT -8
SK, I believe that Trump easily won the debate as you do. I get it that there are those who don’t like Trump. What I do not understand is overlooking that Joe Biden is not a nice guy or has ever been an honest representative of American citizens. He is a nasty liar and an angry man who is infatuated with little girls and arrogantly used his son and his position to enrich himself and his family. He is a criminal, racist and a traitor.
Trump is all about making this country a better place and life better for Americans.
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Post by RSM789 on Oct 25, 2020 12:45:01 GMT -8
...Joe Biden... is a nasty liar and an angry man who is infatuated with little girls and arrogantly used his son and his position to enrich himself and his family. He is a criminal, racist and a traitor.... Outside of that, he is just Amtrak Joe from Scranton. Talk about trying to use 1970's political marketing to sell a 2020 candidate...
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Post by MDDad on Oct 27, 2020 15:01:24 GMT -8
OK, here goes:
First, Joe Biden. He stumbled for words and mispronounced others, as always. More importantly, I thought he looked very old and very tired. My overriding impression of him was that there's no way he is up to the demands of being president. Sure, his handlers can jack him up on Adderall and make him semi-coherent for a couple of hours, but the presidency is a 24/7 job, and both his performance and his campaign schedule are evidence that he lacks the energy and the stamina required for the job.
Second, I thought Kristen Welker, despite some slips, was the best moderator of a presidential debate I've seen in a long time. Until she lost control of the affair in the second half, she asked tough and specific questions of both candidates. I'm sure Joe Biden was taken aback by some of the in-your-face things he was asked.
Which brings us to Donald Trump. Rather than watching one debate last night, I felt like I watched three. For the first 29 minutes (yes, I actually set a running clock), I couldn't believe I was watching Donald Trump. He was polite, deferential, respectful of both Welker and Biden, and stopped talking when his time was up. I'm almost ashamed to say I was shocked. However, in the second half hour, he began to slip. Like a five-year-old who is told to sit on the couch and behave himself for 90 minutes, he couldn't do it. He began to insist on having the last word on every topic, even when he had already had his rebuttal opportunity, and when Welker reluctantly gave him ten seconds, he always went 20 or 30. In the final 30 minutes, he completely fell off the wagon and reverted to the Donald Trump we've come to know. He began interrupting and speaking over Biden, he started up the childish personal insults, and he became the playground bully that he really is. It was in that last half hour that Welker totally lost control of the proceedings.
What did it all mean? Not much, if anything. I don't think either candidate did anything significant enough to move the needle or change the minds of many voters.
And now, a personal note. My dislike and distaste for Trump has nothing to do with policy. I recognize that it is almost entirely personal. I came to this country with my parents and my brother when I was five. I didn't know a word of English, and when I started kindergarten a month later, I was five years behind the other kids in speaking clearly and expressing myself. But, like Donald Trump and probably many on this forum, I had the good fortune to attend public schools at a time when they still taught proper grammar and proper sentence structure, rather than transgender appreciation, climate terror and white guilt. I learned how to express myself with efficiency and specificity, and I've always admired those who could do so better than I can. That's one reason I dislike Donald Trump. Despite all his financial advantages, he is the least articulate president in our history, and he continually expresses himself like a ten- or 12-year-old. Couple that with his constant name-calling and bullying, and you have a guy I can never like, even if he walked on water. Here are three examples of how he blew it in the debate:
(1) On the issue of his "secret bank account" in China, he mumbled and fumbled and repeated himself and stepped on his dick, never really explaining away the charge. Why couldn't he just have said: "Look, before I became president, I was an international commercial developer with projects in many countries. All such developers open bank accounts in their project countries, because it is the fastest and most efficient way to transact business and pay employees, contractors and suppliers. I had such an account in China when I did a project there, and I closed it when the project was completed. I opened another one when it appeared I would do another project, and closed it when I decided not to proceed. And all those accounts occurred years before I was president."
(2) On the issue of his paying only $750 in income taxes one year, he again mumbled and fumbled and repeated himself and stepped on his dick. Why couldn't he just have said, "Look, like tens of millions of other Americans who don't receive a weekly payroll check and have their income tax withheld, I make estimated tax payments four times a year. In the year in question, I made such payments in the millions of dollars. It turns out my estimated payments were short by $750. That is what I paid with my tax returns, and that is the number the media is throwing around as though that was ALL the income tax I paid."
(3) Biden made the statement that 220,000 Americans have died of COVID, and that another 200,000 would die of it before the end of the year. That is a number he pulled out of his ass, and Trump had the opportunity to shove it right back up where it came from. But he blew it. Apparently he's as bad at math as he is at English. He could have said, "Joe, the daily death rate from COVID has averaged around 700 for the last two or three months. If you know for a fact that rate will more than quadruple to almost 2,900 a day for the rest of the year, where is the evidence of that fact? If it's derived from models, please remember that those models have been wrong every step of the way during this pandemic, and please don't present their projections as fact just to frighten American voters."
He had three chances to change the damaging stories surrounding him, and he blew them all, mainly because he can't explain himself worth a shit.
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Post by RSM789 on Oct 27, 2020 16:00:39 GMT -8
...He began interrupting and speaking over Biden, he started up the childish personal insults, and he became the playground bully that he really is. Comments? You got it wrong, all of the places that reported debate stats showed Biden interrupt Trump on a 2 to 1 basis. The difference is that Trump doesn't let interruptions stop him, he steamrolls over them, so the interruptions against him aren't effective or as noticeable. What personal insults? Saying that someone is not capable of doing a job is not an insult, it is a harsh evaluation. If Trump was a bully, why did he talk to Joe and address him by name, while Biden used "this guy" & "him"? Being a bully is a sign of weakness and is displayed in the inability to look someone in the in the eye or use their name when you address them. Trump is a brawler, he does not sugarcoat his words, but that is not bullying for it takes strength and confidence (non bully traits) to look a guy in the eye and tell him "Joe, you would not be able to do what I did". The bully, the weak one, is the guy who looks at the moderator and says "That guy is the worst president ever", for it takes no strength to avoid a confrontation. It seems like you let Trumps style or speaking manner influence you heavily, because you missed the point that was hammered home and is why a huge percentage of pundits say he won the debate. The lasting impression most people got from the debate was that Biden has been in politics for 47 years and has never done the things he now says he is going to do. Biden couldn't defend that point and it reversed every effort Biden made to try to explain his plans or agenda. Topping it off by destroying Bidens "What really matters is Americas families" speech in a style reminiscent of Chris Christie was just the icing on the cake ands effectively communicated to a majority of the people that Biden is nothing more than a corrupt, desperate politician trying to get into his sixth decade of office holding.
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Post by vilepagan on Oct 28, 2020 3:30:22 GMT -8
OK, here goes: First, Joe Biden. He stumbled for words and mispronounced others, as always. More importantly, I thought he looked very old and very tired. My overriding impression of him was that there's no way he is up to the demands of being president. Sure, his handlers can jack him up on Adderall and make him semi-coherent for a couple of hours, but the presidency is a 24/7 job, and both his performance and his campaign schedule are evidence that he lacks the energy and the stamina required for the job. Second, I thought Kristen Welker, despite some slips, was the best moderator of a presidential debate I've seen in a long time. Until she lost control of the affair in the second half, she asked tough and specific questions of both candidates. I'm sure Joe Biden was taken aback by some of the in-your-face things he was asked. Which brings us to Donald Trump. Rather than watching one debate last night, I felt like I watched three. For the first 29 minutes (yes, I actually set a running clock), I couldn't believe I was watching Donald Trump. He was polite, deferential, respectful of both Welker and Biden, and stopped talking when his time was up. I'm almost ashamed to say I was shocked. However, in the second half hour, he began to slip. Like a five-year-old who is told to sit on the couch and behave himself for 90 minutes, he couldn't do it. He began to insist on having the last word on every topic, even when he had already had his rebuttal opportunity, and when Welker reluctantly gave him ten seconds, he always went 20 or 30. In the final 30 minutes, he completely fell off the wagon and reverted to the Donald Trump we've come to know. He began interrupting and speaking over Biden, he started up the childish personal insults, and he became the playground bully that he really is. It was in that last half hour that Welker totally lost control of the proceedings. What did it all mean? Not much, if anything. I don't think either candidate did anything significant enough to move the needle or change the minds of many voters. And now, a personal note. My dislike and distaste for Trump has nothing to do with policy. I recognize that it is almost entirely personal. I came to this country with my parents and my brother when I was five. I didn't know a word of English, and when I started kindergarten a month later, I was five years behind the other kids in speaking clearly and expressing myself. But, like Donald Trump and probably many on this forum, I had the good fortune to attend public schools at a time when they still taught proper grammar and proper sentence structure, rather than transgender appreciation, climate terror and white guilt. I learned how to express myself with efficiency and specificity, and I've always admired those who could do so better than I can. That's one reason I dislike Donald Trump. Despite all his financial advantages, he is the least articulate president in our history, and he continually expresses himself like a ten- or 12-year-old. Couple that with his constant name-calling and bullying, and you have a guy I can never like, even if he walked on water. Here are three examples of how he blew it in the debate: (1) On the issue of his "secret bank account" in China, he mumbled and fumbled and repeated himself and stepped on his dick, never really explaining away the charge. Why couldn't he just have said: " Look, before I became president, I was an international commercial developer with projects in many countries. All such developers open bank accounts in their project countries, because it is the fastest and most efficient way to transact business and pay employees, contractors and suppliers. I had such an account in China when I did a project there, and I closed it when the project was completed. I opened another one when it appeared I would do another project, and closed it when I decided not to proceed. And all those accounts occurred years before I was president."(2) On the issue of his paying only $750 in income taxes one year, he again mumbled and fumbled and repeated himself and stepped on his dick. Why couldn't he just have said, " Look, like tens of millions of other Americans who don't receive a weekly payroll check and have their income tax withheld, I make estimated tax payments four times a year. In the year in question, I made such payments in the millions of dollars. It turns out my estimated payments were short by $750. That is what I paid with my tax returns, and that is the number the media is throwing around as though that was ALL the income tax I paid."(3) Biden made the statement that 220,000 Americans have died of COVID, and that another 200,000 would die of it before the end of the year. That is a number he pulled out of his ass, and Trump had the opportunity to shove it right back up where it came from. But he blew it. Apparently he's as bad at math as he is at English. He could have said, " Joe, the daily death rate from COVID has averaged around 700 for the last two or three months. If you know for a fact that rate will more than quadruple to almost 2,900 a day for the rest of the year, where is the evidence of that fact? If it's derived from models, please remember that those models have been wrong every step of the way during this pandemic, and please don't present their projections as fact just to frighten American voters."He had three chances to change the damaging stories surrounding him, and he blew them all, mainly because he can't explain himself worth a shit. Comments? Nice post but you got a few things wrong... Trump never attended public schools a day in his life. 1. He could have said that but he'd have been lying. The problem isn't that trump had a bank account years ago when he was developing projects there, it's that he HAS a bank account in China NOW. 2. Again, to say what you recommended he'd have to lie...not that that's stopped him in the past but perhaps he was hesitant to state such an easily debunked falsehood.
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Post by davidsf on Oct 28, 2020 5:04:36 GMT -8
My comment?
As you said in your Tx, MDDad, I also look at accomplishment. I don’t like him as a person, but I will vote for him because of what he has shown us he can DO, particularly in the face of overwhelming obstinance, hatred, and obstructionism from democrats, liberals, and socialists.
I’m not voting for a spouse or a Pastor. His personality shortcomings, which are many, are irrelevant to me. He is doing what he said he’d do.
I am also not moved by his claims to be a Christian or a patriot. Maybe he is, maybe he isn’t. It could very well be as I assumed it was in 2015 when he first announced: He ran once and failed miserably. But he has a massive marketing research arm at his disposal which I assumed he put to work finding that niche that would make him successful the second time around. He “suddenly” began proclaiming Christ, Guns, the Military, the flag, etc. as his mantra and the support swelled.
Or maybe he is just that remade Christian Patriot we all know and “love” today. First, God did not give me the authority to judge him OTHER than whether or not his actions merit my vote, and second, like I said earlier, I don’t care, as long as he keeps doing things that benefit the Country, he’ll get my vote.
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Post by SK80 on Oct 28, 2020 6:08:27 GMT -8
For so long I have yearned for a fighter for my side whether you want to call it “conservative” or the GOP. I’ve listened for years the whining of how the other side is vicious, fights dirty and the right side or those of the GOP are soft, have no balls, are push overs. Then along comes Trump and finally there is a guy who takes no prisoners. And what do we get? Many of those whom cried about the soft bellies of the GOP became “Never Trumpers” because they didn’t like his bully style. Example Mitt Romney.
Reading your post above MDDad we see why Mittens is your guy. Well that’s great and all but what has he done for you lately? Right now IMHO Trump stands between you or us and complete disaster should the party behind Biden get full control. Should that happen I will continually on this forum be asking you what have your guys that you put on some personality morality pedestal handled, battled, slowed or stopped the Marxists and Socialists in charge? I hope your “Battalion of Conservative Saints” come to the rescue....
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