The Divided States of America

Unless the intent is to lord over the citizenry against their wishes, you'd have to agree this is not a healthy relationship with left and right. Have you ever seen that acknowledgment from anyone on the left, or the right when they were in power?

No, VP, you're really not, so please don't flatter yourself.  You've demonstrated your ignorance of history multiple times on this board and on OCConnect.  You seem to confuse being "a student of history" with being "an ignorant wannabe who stubbornly defends what he's found after a two-minute google search", and that's an insult to those people who have actually studied the subject.


I, and most of the conservatives I know, believe a woman has the right to do anything she wants sexually, including having sex 24/7 with a different guy every day.  But one of the easiest things in the world is to not get pregnant.  If she does, because she and her "partner" are too stupid, lazy or horny to prevent it, then she now represents two human beings and shouldn't have the unilateral right to kill one of them.  Fortunately for her, she has the somewhat arbitrary right to do just that because of some bizarre legal interpretation of the "right to privacy".  By extension, I should be able to tie someone up in my garage, kill them by pulling off their arms or legs, or crushing their skulls, or disembowling them (i.e. perhaps the three most common ways unborn children are killed), as long as I do it in private.  What's good for the goose should be good for the gander.

I, and most of the conservatives I know, think LGBTQ people should have the same rights as anyone else.  If two gay people want to stand in front of a justice or preacher and "get married", they certainly have that right.  But marriage has evolved a very specific meaning in the last 3,000+ years to many of us, so we have the personal right to not recognize or respect that union.  And a gay couple should never have the right to force a baker to bake them a wedding cake if he is morally opposed to doing so.  And no man who has a mental illness that makes him think he's a woman should have the right to walk into a women's restroom, lockerroom, gym or other establishment and flash his junk to women and small girls.  His mental illness does not override common sense and everyone else's rights, and the world should not be required to indulge his mental illness and accept it as normal.


That's probably the hundredth time you've tried to put words in someone else's mouth that they didn't say.  My friend did not say this country is a piece of fruit.  He pointed out that the life cycle of many world powers bears a resemblance to the life cycle of a piece of fruit, and his analogy is apt.  If you were half the "student of history" you claim to be, you would know that Greece, Rome, Spain, at least two dynasties in both China and India, and many others have followed that path.  But I guess you didn't bother to google that.

This country has been ascendant for over a century, and it has never truly faced an existential threat to its survival.  But the internal rot imposed on us by the left is moving us past the "soft and mushy" phase very quickly.

Ok, thanks for clarifying. Unhealthy implies the relationship could become healthy again.

Maybe our discussion with the left should focus on THAT?

What would it take to have a healthy, VIABLE relationship again? Absent that, shouldn't we move toward ending it?

Having been throughnthe breakup of my first marriage and, subsequently, counseling others who were going through their own separations and divorces, while it might or might not be a directly applicable analogy to the condition of our republic today, I can tell you, marriages CAN be reconciled if even one of the partners remains true to the commitment.

NOT that I necessarily disagree completely with MDDad: It certainly is easier and quicker when both partners want it, but it CAN happen through one determined partner... I've seen it happen several times.

HOWEVER, I am seeing trenches being dug today in America and not so many bridges. So reconciliation is not possible if neither partner has any interest in preserving the relationship.

Obama got this started with his dividing us into the haves and have nots and pitting blacks against whites, women against men, liberals against normal people 😜...

when Trump took over, the elites really kicked it into high gear and they pulled Antifa/BLM out od the shadows and made them domestic terrorists...

this is their plan... break us up.

Yeah, I know what you believe but what you avoided saying is that many conservatives would codify your beliefs into law just like you accuse the left of wanting to do. You're no different.

No, it's all you. You're the problem, not some imaginary "elites".