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Post by Bick on Sept 19, 2021 8:00:32 GMT -8
Anybody notice the CalPreps ratings for SJ Bosco and Servite? SJ Bosco 95.2 Servite 92.6 & MD @ 122.8, has the gap ever been so big between #1 and & #2 ?? Look at the gap between 1 & 8. Compare that to teams 9-24.
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Post by outofstate on Sept 19, 2021 8:13:43 GMT -8
Anybody notice the CalPreps ratings for SJ Bosco and Servite? SJ Bosco 95.2 Servite 92.6 & MD @ 122.8, has the gap ever been so big between #1 and & #2 ?? If MD beats La Miranda by 100 points next week, the gap will get narrower because MD’s SOS will take a big hit next week. But overall the 5 Trinity games are always huge for Calpreps SOS.
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Post by MDDad on Sept 19, 2021 8:19:56 GMT -8
Otherwise, how would they determine which division a team would belong in that's an AQ? The CIF published a convoluted method for deciding where to place non-automatic qualifiers about two years ago, but that procedure is nowhere to be found today. Going strictly by Calpreps (i.e. Freeman) power ratings seems like the methodology that is most fair and requires the least thought (something the CIF is not very good at).
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Post by SK80 on Sept 21, 2021 11:15:14 GMT -8
Congrats:
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Post by Luca on Sept 21, 2021 11:50:44 GMT -8
Five teams from one local league ranked in the top 12 of a state with some 1000 high schools?
It’s a sign of the times, SK, but I don’t think it’s a condition that merits congratulations. This club trend has not been good for HSFB and high school athletes in general. The Trinity League, or at least a significant part of it, has abandoned the raison d` etre (I think that’s how you spell it) of high school athletics for a different purpose. The real, the traditional HSFB is now played by the public schools (the Los Al’s, Corona Del Mar’s, San Clemente’s, etc.) and the smaller private schools. These are the programs I admire these days. It’s been a difficult thing for me to watch, having followed, played, coached, and doctored local parochial football starting from six years of age, encompassing three generations. It’s sad when you have an honest to God passion about an institution with value and integrity yet see it devolve and trammelled by a few for less than honorable reasons. You realize that, after all, it was always just a game and evidently not everyone prized it as much as you did or recognized its purpose/value.
So you move on and remind yourself again that change is not synonymous with progress and entropy applies to ethics as much as it does energy states………….Luca
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Post by SK80 on Sept 21, 2021 13:19:32 GMT -8
Luca, I've been with you for sometime, I have however for the most part put some of that behind me. So when I say "Congrats", its with a half baked smile......, if I must, I will still be obliged to root for CIF-SS Football especially and foremost OCHSF. So on a National level I'm behind our local league as congratulated by me, SK80 above. By the way, don't fool yourself with the publics and smaller privates not still trying to mimick those schools posted above.
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Post by Luca on Sept 21, 2021 13:37:32 GMT -8
I know you have, and I know that there are some smaller schools that try the club routine if in a far more limited and less financed fashion. I realize mine are ideals gone with the wind, but not to the point of naivete.
When it's no longer a question of who'll win the games but rather the under/over that's debated, there's something gone in the sport. It's hard to get worked up about who's nationally ranked higher between Mater Dei/Bosco versus IMG Academy.......................Luca
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Post by Bick on Sept 21, 2021 15:45:52 GMT -8
Those 2 academy level schools aren't far from having to play a national schedule, IMO, and I think that's a good thing. This year, MD & Bosco played 5 of their 8 scheduled non league games v. out of state teams. Not sure the 3 local teams - Alemany, Bishop Amat & La Mirada will see much benefit from playing them this year.
I don't see it as a problem that some schools have opted to go the national program route, nor do I see it as a blight upon HS football in general. I just don't think those national level schools should be playing v. "normal" high schools.
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Post by MDDad on Sept 21, 2021 15:59:20 GMT -8
It's easy to say a given school should play "a national schedule", as long as you don't have to face the financial impact (i.e. roughly $50K for each out-of-state game) or the fact that most kids can't afford to miss ten to 15 days of class to travel for games. It's unworkable.
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Post by SK80 on Sept 21, 2021 16:23:49 GMT -8
It's easy to say a given school should play "a national schedule", as long as you don't have to face the financial impact (i.e. roughly $50K for each out-of-state game) or the fact that most kids can't afford to miss ten to 15 days of class to travel for games. It's unworkable. Then you better dilute your talent pool because outside of 2 or 3 schools no one locally or within a gun shot, bottle rocket arch or short range missile launch is going to play you.
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Post by Luca on Sept 21, 2021 17:03:48 GMT -8
That's something that perhaps should have been considered before making the leap into the club team arena. When you opt to go that route it can be hard to generate sympathy when you can't get games against local traditional HSFB teams. Why would you expect programs to see any benefit in putting their local kids up against a club team? Many teams will have a D1 lineman or two from time to time, but when you face a team loaded with six or seven of them along with D1 backers you're increasing the risk of injury to your grossly overmatched kids. The game won't be remotely competitive.......so what the hell's the point?
It reminds me of Abraham Lincoln's story of the kid who murders his parents and then throws himself on the mercy of the court, pleading that he's an orphan.....................Luca
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Post by SK80 on Sept 21, 2021 17:21:08 GMT -8
It's kinda like after a game, wow, impressive.... BUT, did you expect anything else.... the elements of completion, surprise, anything can happen have been virtually eliminated. Its sterile.
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Post by ProfessorFate on Sept 21, 2021 19:41:47 GMT -8
That's something that perhaps should have been considered before making the leap into the club team arena. When you opt to go that route it can be hard to generate sympathy when you can't get games against local traditional HSFB teams. Why would you expect programs to see any benefit in putting their local kids up against a club team? Many teams will have a D1 lineman or two from time to time, but when you face a team loaded with six or seven of them along with D1 backers you're increasing the risk of injury to your grossly overmatched kids. The game won't be remotely competitive.......so what the hell's the point? It reminds me of Abraham Lincoln's story of the kid who murders his parents and then throws himself on the mercy of the court, pleading that he's an orphan.....................Luca Thanks Luca. I was going to post roughly the same thing, but you and I have been on this bandwagon for so long, people have started to look at it as beating a dead horse. Now it holds more water when someone different says it...like SK80 above. Things have now gotten so obvious, that more and more people are beginning to come around to our way of thinking. Most local schools won't play them anymore. And you're right...no sympathy from many, including me.
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Post by Bick on Sept 21, 2021 21:34:25 GMT -8
It's easy to say a given school should play "a national schedule", as long as you don't have to face the financial impact (i.e. roughly $50K for each out-of-state game) or the fact that most kids can't afford to miss ten to 15 days of class to travel for games. It's unworkable. I'd be surprised if the Trinity league stays intact in the next couple years. Coupled with what seems to be slim pickings for local opponents, you may very well have to face that reality sooner than later. You may not always get what you want, but you always get what you choose.
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Post by outofstate on Sept 22, 2021 3:36:33 GMT -8
You may not always get what you want, but you always get what you choose. You might just find you get what you need.
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