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Post by kupprunneth on Nov 6, 2019 9:45:56 GMT -8
So is Noah Fifita going to be considered the top QB in Orange County next year--or at least the top returning starter in the Trinity League? he absolutely will be the top "returning" starter in the Trinity League. But he probably won't be considered the top QB in the league once MD and Bosco get their guys. |
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Post by Bick on Nov 6, 2019 9:52:42 GMT -8
So is Noah Fifita going to be considered the top QB in Orange County next year--or at least the top returning starter in the Trinity League? he absolutely will be the top "returning" starter in the Trinity League. But he probably won't be considered the top QB in the league once MD and Bosco get their guys. Interesting that neither Bosco nor MD would have developed their own talent to assume the QB spot next year, and they would have to rely on another school's. You would think with all that coaching experience, they would be able to develop their own. |
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Post by SK80 on Nov 6, 2019 10:06:01 GMT -8
he absolutely will be the top "returning" starter in the Trinity League. But he probably won't be considered the top QB in the league once MD and Bosco get their guys. Interesting that neither Bosco nor MD would have developed their own talent to assume the QB spot next year, and they would have to rely on another school's. You would think with all that coaching experience, they would be able to develop their own. It's still strange to me even though becoming the norm. For so many decades I have watched this sport at this level and even though at times hard to swallow, watching the ebb and flow, high and low associated with graduating classes and underclassman evolving or not as they advance in years at their local high school. I guess it just not worth it to most any longer to "wait" it out, work out the kinks associated with relying on your own. I read this the other day.... my sentiment exactly..., Morrissette on football: ‘Win at all costs’ culture a detriment to Southern California high school football
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There’s a win at all costs mentality in Southern California high school football that is poisoning the game. It’s not an issue across the board, but it’s becoming clearer and clearer that with some teams, victories are all that matter.
One of the worst offenses is changing grades to make players eligible to compete on Friday nights. Narbonne was found guilty of that last month and the LA City Section brought down the hammer last week, banning the team from the playoffs for the next two seasons due to academic misconduct and an issue with transfers (I’ll hit on this later).
The Gauchos got caught and will suffer the consequences, but are we naive enough to think this is only happening at Narbonne?
Coaches and administrators like to trumpet how they are positive role models for the athletes in their programs — have you checked Twitter lately? — but then strong arm their peers into altering grades to get top players onto the field. And for what?
It’s all about piling up victories and fielding a competitive team. Because in 2019, winning is all that matters.
Rebuilding years are now viewed as signs of weakness. In the past, it was common for some teams to have years with loaded senior classes and others to be flush with underclassmen. That was part of the fun. Coaches had to piece together how they could get their teams to overachieve in what was supposed to be a down year.
Today it’s not rebuild — it’s reload.
Parents are part of this toxic culture too. There have been some flat out bizarre transfer sagas in the last few years. Disagreement with the coach? Transfer. No varsity playing time as a sophomore? Transfer. Program looks like it’s on a downward trajectory? Transfer.
The player-coach relationship should be sacred. But in this self-obsessed win-now culture, parents and kids are burning bridges by moving on to supposed greener pastures.
Winning is important, but it’s not the end-all-be-all. Values shouldn’t be sacrificed, but in 2019 it happens routinely. In today’s climate, I applaud those who play by the rules. It sets a great example for the next generation.
In high school football there’s an allergy to adversity. And it has to stop
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Post by kupprunneth on Nov 6, 2019 10:20:53 GMT -8
he absolutely will be the top "returning" starter in the Trinity League. But he probably won't be considered the top QB in the league once MD and Bosco get their guys. Interesting that neither Bosco nor MD would have developed their own talent to assume the QB spot next year, and they would have to rely on another school's. You would think with all that coaching experience, they would be able to develop their own. MD had 1 transfer come in to play QB and now they "don't develop their own?" Same with Bosco. DJ wasn't their own? |
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Post by Bick on Nov 6, 2019 10:25:26 GMT -8
Kinda getting off topic here, but it reminds me of what is happening at Los Al this year.
Losing record for the first time in forever, and the thinking is the sky is falling if you listen to some of the parents. What's lost in the evaluation is we played a relatively tougher schedule than in the past, have a young team after losing about 6 xfers to Servite, had a few key seniors go down, and voila.
I look at it as what should be expected under the circumstances of a typical ebb and flow of talent and performance.
Frankly, I think it is healthy to have some downs so that the ups are even more meaningful. Can't eat steak and lobster every day, can you?
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Post by SK80 on Nov 6, 2019 10:36:15 GMT -8
Kinda getting off topic here, but it reminds me of what is happening at Los Al this year. Yes and I thought better to put in high school thread, surprised no one here has even addressed the Narbonne story.Losing record for the first time in forever, and the thinking is the sky is falling if you listen to some of the parents. What's lost in the evaluation is we played a relatively tougher schedule than in the past, have a young team after losing about 6 xfers to Servite, had a few key seniors go down, and voila. Those were the breaks in traditional hfs, today the new era teams have players in waiting. Yes, losing transfers out hurts, yet winning with them is also part of an ebb and flow when playing the transfer game.
I look at it as what should be expected under the circumstances of a typical ebb and flow of talent and performance. Frankly, I think it is healthy to have some downs so that the ups are even more meaningful. Can't eat steak and lobster every day, can you? Can't agree more, winning a CIF Championship will have all the more meaning and emphasis. It heightens the ultimate feeling. When things, happenings, events are fewer and far between, they are more cherished.You can move my post to the high school thread and out of the QB talk..... |
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Post by MDDad on Nov 6, 2019 11:22:49 GMT -8
Interesting that neither Bosco nor MD would have developed their own talent to assume the QB spot next year, and they would have to rely on another school's. You would think with all that coaching experience, they would be able to develop their own. It's kind of a Catch-22. When a school has a great quarterback who is also an underclassman, top 8th-grade quarterbacks and potential transfer quarterbacks have no interest in enrolling in that school. Today, among the best QB's, it's all about playing as a freshman or starting as a sophomore. A school with a Matt Barkley, J.T. Daniels or D.J. Uiagalelei doesn't provide that opportunity, so kids with the ability to be "developed" typically enroll or transfer elsewhere. |
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Post by Credo on Nov 6, 2019 15:15:36 GMT -8
So is Noah Fifita going to be considered the top QB in Orange County next year--or at least the top returning starter in the Trinity League? he absolutely will be the top "returning" starter in the Trinity League. But he probably won't be considered the top QB in the league once MD and Bosco get their guys. What current QB's (at other schools), that are realistically on the Bosco/MD wish list, would already be considered better than Noah Fifita? |
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Post by kupprunneth on Nov 6, 2019 16:27:23 GMT -8
he absolutely will be the top "returning" starter in the Trinity League. But he probably won't be considered the top QB in the league once MD and Bosco get their guys. What current QB's (at other schools), that are realistically on the Bosco/MD wish list, would already be considered better than Noah Fifita? No comment. We'll let that all play out by said individuals. I'll say you probably never heard of them unless you are a diehard high school football fan. |
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Post by kupprunneth on Nov 6, 2019 16:33:07 GMT -8
Who's going to be Cen10's QB next year? Retzlaff?
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Post by SK80 on Nov 17, 2019 18:31:02 GMT -8
Garbers’ 58 TD passes second-most in OC historywww.ocregister.com/2019/11/17/garbers-58-td-passes-second-most-in-oc-history/?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=socialflow&utm_medium=social&utm_content=tw-ocvarsity
 Corona del Mar QB Ethan Garbers and high-scoring Corona del Mar are No. 4 in the county top 25. (Photo by Michael Fernandez, Contributing Photographer)Corona del Mar senior quarterback Ethan Garbers threw six touchdown passes Saturday in the Sea Kings’ 42-14 win over Cajon in a CIF-Southern Section Division 3 quarterfinals playoff game. He has 58 touchdown passes this season, the second-most in Orange County history. The county single-season record for touchdown passes is 67 set by Mater Dei’s JT Daniels in 2016. Daniels played 14 games that season. Garbers, who has played in 12 games, potentially has four games remaining — if the Sea Kings win their semifinal game Friday at Alemany of Mission Hills the would advance to the CIF-SS Division 3 final, and then possible CIF Southern California Regionals and CIF State final games.
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Post by Bick on Nov 27, 2019 9:11:15 GMT -8
In comparing the OC QB's with the best stats over the past 2 years...Garbers, Young and Munoz (Western)...I think there's a greater similarity with what Munoz accomplished to what Garbers has done. Very good QB's throwing to WR's with a huge advantage over anyone trying to cover them.
Bryce Young stands out as much more of a complete QB / playmaker v top level competition.
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Post by SK80 on Nov 27, 2019 9:49:59 GMT -8
In comparing the OC QB's with the best stats over the past 2 years...Garbers, Young and Munoz (Western)...I think there's a greater similarity with what Munoz accomplished to what Garbers has done. Very good QB's throwing to WR's with a huge advantage over anyone trying to cover them. Bryce Young stands out as much more of a complete QB / playmaker v top level competition. So can I take this statement as Garbers and Munoz are on equal footing in your eyes? "Very good QB's"? So to make it to Elite 11 you just have to be a "Very good QB"? You can't be serious. I don't go on message boards to take away from athletes accomplishments. No doubt on paper and on the D10 playing field Munoz had a career for the record books. And so has Garbers and so has Young. Stellar athletes in their respective divisions on top teams in those division usually do have advantages against inferior opponents, in which Bryce Young encounters just as often. However, players in the top tier divisions play against D1 college talent, those lower divisions do not. A HUGE difference. The continued analogy that if you are on MD or SJB or any other top 10 national team you are automatically better than anyone else at your position is proven false all the time. Your analysis here or take is the same one used in recent past on these message boards with Chase Garbers and JT Daniels. MD's JT Daniels, national champ and player of the year is head and shoulders above any other QB out there. Well it's been two seasons now and it's the guy whom most of you claimed the next Superbowl champ was losing games and getting injured and losing his job, possibly for good. Meanwhile the other was celebrating SC victory signs in his opponents (JT's) end zone and recently taking back the Axe from Stanford with the game winning rushing TD for his Cal Bears. Again no disrespect to any of these players, its a tough game and its a tough call making predictions whom has what it takes each move up the high school to college football ladder. @bick..., sheesh. |
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Post by Bick on Nov 27, 2019 10:08:18 GMT -8
The gap between CDM WRs v defenders, is more like what Western WRs had last year, than what MD WRs faced this year.
Their top WR is Epps, right? How many Power 5 offers does he have? I don't know who their #2 is.
You really think this is debatable?
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