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Post by Bick on Dec 28, 2019 10:03:40 GMT -8
Seems like a good guy. There's a Los Al guy I respect that knows him pretty well off the field, and was an advocate of his for the past few years.
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Post by SK80 on Jan 10, 2020 9:23:01 GMT -8
Thank you @latimes and @dailypilot for allowing these two guys to share in this, will go down as one of the greatest offensive duos in OC, CIF-SS, and state HSF. Corona del Mar’s John Humphreys and Ethan Garbers share Sunset League MVP award in footballwww.latimes.com/socal/daily-pilot/sports/story/2020-01-09/corona-del-mars-john-humphreys-and-ethan-garbers-share-sunset-league-mvp-award-in-football
 Corona del Mar quarterback Ethan Garbers (4) celebrates with receiver John Humphreys (6) after throwing one of two first-half touchdowns to Humphreys in a season opener against Downey on Aug. 23, 2019, at Newport Harbor High.(Kevin Chang / Staff Photographer)By Daily Pilot Staff
Jan. 9, 2020
4:53 PM
Corona del Mar High senior receiver John Humphreys and senior quarterback Ethan Garbers shared the Sunset League MVP award after their historic football seasons helped the Sea Kings win the league title.
The duo led CdM (16-0, 5-0 in league) to a second straight unbeaten Sunset League crown, and the CIF Southern Section Division 3 title and the CIF State Division 1-A championship.
CdM also had senior tight end Mark Redman and senior receiver Bradley Schlom share the Sunset League Offensive Player of the Year award.
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Post by Bick on Jan 22, 2020 7:48:06 GMT -8
Now that the sun has set on the 2019 season, I'm curious who you think made who at CDM.
Was it a good QB throwing to a set of relatively great receivers?
Or a great QB throwing to good WRs?
Or were they all on par, and the synergy made them a relatively great offensive unit?
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Post by MDDad on Jan 22, 2020 8:03:18 GMT -8
I think the answer to that is provided in the discussion on TOB. To summarize, it was a very good QB throwing to three very good receivers, against grossly overmatched opponents. For a team that ended the season ranked #4 in the state, only two teams in the final top 20 had a weaker schedule -- Narbonne (barely) and Oxnard Pacifica. The Sea Kings played nobody ranked in the top 100.
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Post by SK80 on Feb 5, 2020 10:41:46 GMT -8
@bick, been meaning to answer your post above but been too sidetracked here with all the Impeach this, remove from office that, Caucus debacles and SOTU's...!
In the meantime saw this on Twitter today for PAC-12 Network..... couple of local boys with good curls and locks..... (according to MDDad these two are just "very good"). More on that point later as it pertains to your questioning about CDM and their Championship campaign.
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Post by SK80 on Feb 10, 2020 9:49:58 GMT -8
I think the answer to that is provided in the discussion on TOB. To summarize, it was a very good QB throwing to three very good receivers, against grossly overmatched opponents. For a team that ended the season ranked #4 in the state, only two teams in the final top 20 had a weaker schedule -- Narbonne (barely) and Oxnard Pacifica. The Sea Kings played nobody ranked in the top 100. Before I answer Bick with banter, I need to address the above comment as well as note that MDDad is using the arguments presented here by TOB (one Omar Bongo) to lay claim basically CDM didn't play anybody. As if the standard (Calpreps) used by EVERYONE doesn't apply when it's CDM or maybe even as far as "not MD or SJB", because when it shows for example they are #1 its like they (Calpreps) or Maxpreps has it all right and are Gospel. Bottom line, all the numbers are calculated the same, in the end EVERY team was weighted on performance, opposition, scores etc and CDM came out at #4 in State and #16 in Nation. MDDad like Bongo can only claim they didn't play anyone, using a TOP 100 analogy, which if you follow HSF how many teams do play and/or actually win a contest against a TOP 100 NATIONAL TEAM? We are talking again here in the NATION, as if all the programs across the country added together you need to play a top 100. I didn't even address Bongo's silly comments on TOB because they are just that. My take is this, teams anywhere near the TOP 100 are stellar on a national level. Next, in critiquing CDM's schedule whom exactly in the TOP 20 as MDDad proclaims played any team in the TOP 100, let alone BEAT someone in the TOP 100? The only other team to actually WIN is Mission Viejo. (Beating #78 Servite 38-35). Kudos to MV. And even more so at the conclusion of the season for acknowledging the accomplishments of Corona del Mar Football, "BEST" public high school in state. Thank you Diablo higher ups. So where does this leave us outside what some schools claim, they played a TOUGHER schedule. OK, we scheduled MD got shellacked by 40 but we played a tougher schedule or SOS, "We Better"! According to MDDad and Bongo this constitutes..... well what? So Centennial gets whooped 52-14 on the field but should get accolades, bonus points and honorable mentions for getting whooped? Because they scheduled SJB? Like the MV program claimed above, WINNING on the field is what matters. Lets look closer now at what the game is about, WINNING. Here are your FINAL rankings:  So we have the TOP 3 spots taken by Privates, DLS was moved above CDM after season/state loss to SJB. But lets look at who DE LA SALLE actually BEAT? DLS - WINS - #158 Buchanan, #197 Folsom, #318 Pittsburgh, #353 Clayton Valley #609 Monte Vista CDM - WINS - #103 Serra, #126 San Clemente #183 Grace Brethren, #200 Alemany #325 Oceanside Across the board of the top 5 games each played and WON, CDM is head and shoulders playing and winning against BETTER teams. As I have stated no other team not named SJB or MD has a better WIN than MV beating #78 Servite. SERVITE - #124 J. Serra, #406 Cajon #425 OLU, #510 SO ND, #933 Santa Margarita. No offense here Servite Brothers but ALL of CDM's top 5 wins are ranked higher than Servite's second best win. So being NO team here beat a TOP 100 how do you use that criteria. It's basically a national ranking that it is almost impossible to find a TOP 100 team to play. Drop to TOP 200 and you have CDM with 4 wins, Central 4 wins, MV 3 wins, CC 2 wins, Sierra Canyon 2 wins, Servite 1 win. So guys like MDDad and Omar Bongo will call out the STRENGTH number because teams like Corona Centennial got shellacked by the nations top 2 teams yet could only muster a couple of other quality wins, #124 J. Serra, #162 Liberty, next wins #423 Norco and #425 OLU. Not sure what else CDM could have PROVED or IMPROVED, but they did it all IMHO. Bick, I'll take a shot on what I feel about last season and the Sea King team when I get my next window to deliver some banter..... |
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Post by Bick on Feb 10, 2020 10:09:56 GMT -8
Unless your schedule includes D1 teams, it's just speculation that you're better than them. Unfortunately, there isn't much of a way around it until / unless you actually play them. At the same token, the Bosco and MD guys who are laying claim to some national championship are equally speculative for the same reason. Bosco's spiffy new ring still don't make it so. State champs...yes.
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Post by SK80 on Feb 10, 2020 10:39:00 GMT -8
Simply comes down to this, if Calpreps/Maxpreps is the system, show me in the system used for ALL teams, who has better wins, more wins against ranked teams than CDM...? WINS! If there was a team I could agree more for (higher rank) it would be Central of Fresno, they too went undefeated and had 4 TOP 200 wins. I think we also at times here and TOB get caught up on the fact that the quality of football as concentrated in the CIF-SS is so deep comparatively to anywhere in the nation. IN OC there are some that snicker at the strength of teams not in Trinity or more so not SJB nor MD, when in actuality we have some of the best teams in the land.
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Post by SK80 on Feb 12, 2020 17:25:01 GMT -8
Now that the sun has set on the 2019 season, I'm curious who you think made who at CDM. ~ Coaching Staff.Was it a good QB throwing to a set of relatively great receivers? ~ Not exactlyOr a great QB throwing to good WRs? ~ Not exactlyOr were they all on par, and the synergy made them a relatively great offensive unit? ~ Exactly. And remove "relatively".@bick your observation on the last question sums it up best. ALL GREAT. MDDad can only come to term with calling these players "very good"..., an insult in my book and I'm sure these fine gentlemen would chuckle. Here is the CALIFORNIA STATE "END" PLAYER OF THE YEAR, remember, he is only "VERY good"! Not sure where that puts the rest under this analogy or rating system used by MDDad. 2019 State End of the Year:
John Humphreys (Corona del Mar, Newport Beach)
We’re calling it “End” of the Year because tight ends would count for it along with receivers and ironically Corona del Mar probably would have the state’s Tight End of the Year as well for the 2019 season with teammate Mark Redman.
Humphreys would be the second straight winner in this category from Orange County following Mr. Football Bru McCoy from last season. The previous OC winner before that, though, would be Thomas Duarte of Mater Dei for 2012.
The 6-foot-5, 205-pound Humphreys set the state record with 78 career TD catches, nearly tied the state record this season with 32 TD catches and he ended in the top five all-time for career receiving yards (5,118) and career catches (287). And oh yes, he played for a Sea Kings’ team that went 16-0 and won the CIF Division 1-A state title. John will play next at Stanford.
So to what be my point you have two of the best in state at those positions, some even claim THE BEST. That leaves you with the QB position. Four Husky 2020 signees named All-CIF
The 2020 recruiting class wraps up tomorrow with National Signing Day and earlier today, four of the players who have committed and already signed with the Washington Huskies were named the the All-CIF team.
Corona del Mar (Newport Beach, Ca.) quarterback Ethan Garbers was named the CIF Southern Section co-Offensive Player of the Year along with teammate John Humphreys, a wide receiver, who signed with Stanford.
I could cut and paste their accomplishments all day and night here but you get the point, you had 3 Excellent offensive players that game in and game out the talk has been by writers, trainers, coaches these guys could be playing on Sundays. There was many opposing coach this year stating on record that stopping CDM's offense at this level is nearly impossible.
RIVALS came out with their FINAL... "2020 rivals250". On that list you have have three SEA KINGS. Mater Dei has but two Monarchs. Think about the talent at MD, think about the only on par school in California SJB, they have three as well. Pull MD and SJB out of the equation an no other school RIVALS CDM with that depth of TOP talent. And that TOP talent is all on that one side of the ball, OFFENSE. So again, get my point, answers your question @bick. CDM's offense was GREAT by any measure.
So question back at MDDad, Ethan Garbers, ELITE 11 QB, record smashing, D1 commit, where do you draw the line at "VERY GOOD"? And is "OUTSTANDING", "EXCEPTIONAL" or "GREAT" only reserved for 1 or 2 players in the country? n.rivals.com/prospect_rankings/rivals250/2020
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Post by Bick on Feb 13, 2020 6:40:14 GMT -8
I've seen 1 1/4 live games, and a handful of CDM games on tape or TV. My sense of it was the WRs were the show. LA with its underclassmen, did not have the secondary to hang with the WRs, and your Q had huge windows to throw in. He seemed to struggle in what I'd call more normal coverage with smaller windows,but that might be a function of not enough opportunities to throw against tight coverage.
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Post by SK80 on Feb 13, 2020 8:14:07 GMT -8
Not sure where you found "struggle" in his repertoire? In two seasons I'd say Ethan had one bad night, against Oceanside. Those kids came to play in a game they were big underdogs on the road, I anticipated a possible let down as our Husky commits had been handed school, scholarship and football career bad news that week with the resignation of the HC @ Washington. Garbers and Redman were focused on their future and I think were not really present during that playoff game, a guy who had but 2 fumbles all year had 5 in one game. As for the receivers, let us not kid ourselves, when you have guys like Humphreys and Redman whom are NFL built at the high school level it's beyond ridiculous really. It was funny during the Super Bowl my wife commented on a Kelce pass completion when he got up from a tackle she blurted "he is huge"! I snickered backed "ya he is 6'4" 260 lbs, our CDM TE is 6'6 255 lbs"....  . She whom has been to many a game didn't even really realize that. Now take Humphreys at 6'5" 215 lbs. Think these guys have a chance! Lets also not forget that during the summers of 7v7 ball CDM's offense DESTROYED most everyone they faced not named BOSCO.  Here is a quote from much respected head coach Patrik Walsh after the State Title game, "Some of the throws and catches that were made you only see on Sundays," Walsh said. "I wouldn't be surprised if some of those who executed those plays actually do play on Sunday.
"Essentially it was impossible to defend them."
Against Alemany, which must have a dozen D1 guys, CDM riddled them....... when you get a chance watch this video produced by some on the sidelines streaming guy who was a Alemany "homer"... pretty funny..! It starts out "Gonna be a long night for CDM" to...., "DAMN"! Let me know @bick if any of these passes were into coverage...? And MDDad, isn't that your boy 19-29 172 yds. 1 TD 2 INT QB Rate 64.2 (oops) Miller Moss.....? Looking at the scoreboard and box score CDM and Garbers 22-33 345 yds. 4 TD pass 3 TD rush 0 INT. QB Rate 140.8 did..., "Very Good"...!  |
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Post by Credo on Feb 13, 2020 8:52:29 GMT -8
CdM was definitely legit this year, and (IMHO) could have finished third or fourth in Trinity League. But this was their peak year and will have a tough go of it after losing all these Pac-12 commits to graduation. I just hope they can keep the "neighborhood team" momentum going. SoCal HSFB needs that desperately.
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Post by MDDad on Feb 13, 2020 9:10:56 GMT -8
And MDDad, isn't that your boy 19-29 172 yds. 1 TD 2 INT QB Rate 64.2 (oops) Miller Moss.....? I'm not sure why you would say that. My last name isn't Moss, and Miller is not my boy. And I say this with all due respect: Corona del Mar had an excellent season, going undefeated and winning a state bowl game. They also had three truly great players on their roster who hopefully will go on to have outstanding careers in college. I realize you're still excited about that, but you've been hyping these three kids nonstop on this forum and TOB for almost a year now, and it may be getting a little tiresome. Don't you think maybe it's time to tone it down a little bit, since the season ended two months ago? |
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Post by SK80 on Feb 13, 2020 9:14:48 GMT -8
CdM was definitely legit this year, and (IMHO) could have finished third or fourth in Trinity League. AGREEBut this was their peak year HISTORICALLY SPEAKING AGREE and will have a tough go NOT NECESSARILY of it after losing all these Pac-12 commits to graduation NORMALLY THE CASE. I just hope they can keep the "neighborhood team" momentum going. THEY WILL FOR THE MOST/MAJORITY OF THE TEAM AND PROGRAM, HOWEVER HOW LONG THEY STAY THAT WAY IS DEBATABLE. I KNOW SO FAR THIS OFF-SEASON THEY HAVE DENIED/TURNED AWAY REQUEST TO TRANSFER IN, VERY INTERESTING TO SAY THE LEAST. LETS SAY THIS IF A STUDENT ATHLETE WERE TO COME IN, IT WOULD BE ONE THAT THE SCHOOL SEES AS A CONTRIBUTING STUDENT NOT JUST ON THE TEAM, BUT THE COMMUNITY AND MORE SO IN THE CLASSROOM. SoCal HSFB needs that desperately. YOU AND I AGREE BUT I BELIEVE WE ARE NOW IN THE MINORITY. |
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