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Post by Credo on Jul 12, 2020 20:46:33 GMT -8
My only agenda is the truth. It's been pretty well established that children and teens are not spreaders of COVID to older folks, so we can throw that theory out the window.
If common sense had been employed with COVID, we would have targeted our efforts at protecting those most vulnerable to serious illness or death and let the rest of society use their own common sense and judgment in dealing with the incredibly minor risk that COVID holds for the otherwise healthy. I'm afraid that train left the station once the "two weeks to flatten the curve" scam shifted the goal posts in late March to perpetual lockdown and hysteria until no one ever gets sick again.
Yes, I am a teacher--and proudly so. I am not going to perpetuate fear in the young men entrusted to me and will do everything I can to encourage them to be free men, to think for themselves, and to not consent to be controlled like sheep.
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Post by outofstate on Jul 13, 2020 4:07:33 GMT -8
It's been pretty well established that children and teens are not spreaders of COVID to older folks, so we can throw that theory out the window. On the contrary, the greatest increase in COVID cases in the past month has been in the younger population, BY FAR. Do a Google search to see the facts. This is why the incidence has skyrocketed while deaths have also increased but not to the same extent. The major concern is that asympomatic young people are 'super spreaders' and are now putting the elderly and other high risk people in greater danger.
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Post by MDDad on Jul 13, 2020 6:30:21 GMT -8
On the contrary, the greatest increase in COVID cases in the past month has been in the younger population, BY FAR. That is true in my son's ER. The number of positive cases has increased dramatically, but he said the average age of such patients is at least 30 years younger than two months ago. Most are either sent home to recover or admitted to the hospital for a night or two.
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Post by SK80 on Jul 13, 2020 6:52:47 GMT -8
OutOfState, blanket statements like "asymptomatic" young people are SUPERSPREADERS is false. In fact only 10%-20% of ALL carriers even pass the virus. Any deeper reading from science based journals (not the MSM) tell a story that the virus is moved about by those whom for unproven reason actually are SUPERSPREADERS. These to date have mostly been traced to EVENTS or SITUATIONAL gatherings.
There is also much evidence that those with string immune systems are not producing or shedding a viral load, that would be found among the majority of young people.
As for school and football which is the topic of this thread, I still see inherent risk in any larger gathering especially in confined spaces. Even more so one would frequent day after day. As much as it hurts to say church gatherers should not congregate nor SING, there seems to be actual tracing to such events that show viral movement amongst those in attendance. Singing is a more pronounced form of atmospheric viral load spread. My best guess would be students in a classroom, sitting 6 feet apart and limiting too much discussion would not be at any high risk of infecting those around them. With most of our schools crumbling, I don't expect anytime soon that new air filtration systems are implemented in our classrooms.
Let's be honest here, not even the expert experts really have a handle on this. I am still of the belief you can only run and hide from this for so long. Cases rising to me have a silver lining. Although antibodies with Covid19 are not fully understood either science and history say many will be better able to resist further infection once infected. Some promising news today (see stockmarket) on new phases of vaccination moving forward.
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Post by Bick on Jul 13, 2020 8:25:55 GMT -8
On the contrary, the greatest increase in COVID cases in the past month has been in the younger population, BY FAR. That is true in my son's ER. The number of positive cases has increased dramatically, but he said the average age of such patients is at least 30 years younger than two months ago. Most are either sent home to recover or admitted to the hospital for a night or two. Does he have any insight as to the ethnic makeup of those being admitted? County #'s show a disproportionate # of Hispanics and "other" testing positive (over 64% of the total).
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Post by kupprunneth on Jul 13, 2020 11:31:09 GMT -8
I don't believe in the survival of the fittest approach some seem to want to take.
Especially when it comes to making decisions for young athletes who don't even get paid to do what they do. To me, its an easy decision to have no youth sports during this time. You want the pros to play, go ahead. They have the means to lock them up and have them play.
Texas looking to cancel sports and pushing it back says a lot.
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Post by kupprunneth on Jul 13, 2020 11:38:09 GMT -8
and is there really that much data to show young folks are not spreaders of Covid to older folks? There's not that much research out there where you can say it won't happen. Perhaps any study on this matter is flawed because kids are not frequenting high spread places, so the cases are low.
Look, so much of what we thought was right ended up not being true. They said masks wouldn't help. Wrong. They said this would disappear when the weather gets hotter. Wrong. They said young people couldn't get it. Wrong.
This is a case where we need to overreact than under react. Thrilled LAUSD has decided to start the school year with distance learning. I can breathe a sigh of relief with that decision.
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Post by kupprunneth on Jul 13, 2020 11:55:19 GMT -8
Bosco just announced return to campus on 8/17.
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Post by MDDad on Jul 13, 2020 12:10:36 GMT -8
Bosco just announced return to campus on 8/17. That may be a premature announcement, given that the state CIF will not announce their decisions until next Monday.
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Post by kupprunneth on Jul 13, 2020 12:19:58 GMT -8
Bosco just announced return to campus on 8/17. That may be a premature announcement, given that the state CIF will not announce their decisions until next Monday. I agree but I was referring to academic portion. Bosco is saying classes will begin 8/17. Still seems pre-mature. Are private schools held to a different standard when it comes to school closures?
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Post by MDDad on Jul 13, 2020 12:25:42 GMT -8
I agree but I was referring to academic portion. Bosco is saying classes will begin 8/17. Still seems pre-mature. Are private schools held to a different standard when it comes to school closures? I misunderstood you to mean football activities. Mater Dei academic classes are scheduled to begin Aug. 10. If there are different standards for private schools, it's largely that they are not subject to the whims of individual school districts.
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Post by MDDad on Jul 13, 2020 12:35:34 GMT -8
(1) and is there really that much data to show young folks are not spreaders of Covid to older folks? (2) There's not that much research out there where you can say it won't happen. (3) They said young people couldn't get it. Wrong. (4) Thrilled LAUSD has decided to start the school year with distance learning. I can breathe a sigh of relief with that decision. (1) Yes, there is a lot of data to support the belief that young folks are very poor spreaders of the virus to others, regardless of age. (2) If the objective is that it can never happen, we will never get there, and we've all watched our last high school football game. Setting zero occurrences as a goal is unrealistic and unachievable. (3) That's not true. I don't recall anyone every claiming that young people couldn't get it. In fact, at first, it was presumed young people were just as susceptible to the virus and the disease as older people. And it still seems that they are just as susceptible to getting the virus. They are just much better at never developing symptoms and not spreading the virus to others. (4) Your sigh of relief may be ill-placed. If you speak to most high school kids or their parents, they are overwhelmingly of the opinion that online learning is very inferior to in-class instruction.
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Post by kupprunneth on Jul 13, 2020 12:42:06 GMT -8
online learning is absolutely inferior, NO DOUBT ABOUT IT.
But I'll sacrifice that for some safety. Its going to be my job to make sure I do a better job at keeping my kids in line with their school work.
And yes, in the beginning, it was said young people (kids) were not susceptible because they weren't many cases. That got debunked once young kids started to get it.
I'd like to see the data about young folks are poor spreaders. That doesn't seem logical to me.
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Post by Credo on Jul 13, 2020 12:47:54 GMT -8
It's been pretty well established that children and teens are not spreaders of COVID to older folks, so we can throw that theory out the window. On the contrary, the greatest increase in COVID cases in the past month has been in the younger population, BY FAR. Do a Google search to see the facts. This is why the incidence has skyrocketed while deaths have also increased but not to the same extent. The major concern is that asympomatic young people are 'super spreaders' and are now putting the elderly and other high risk people in greater danger. Please get your facts and you terms straight. Where did anyone here say that young people were less likely to get infected? I never said that. What is true is that they are less likely to spread the infection to adults. The idea that children are 'super spreaders' is a debunked talking point meant to perpetuate fear. These studies from other countries are actually based on real data and science, unlike the statements made by people like Dr. Anthony Fauci, which are NEVER backed up by any data and are simply based on 'what's possible.'
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Post by Credo on Jul 13, 2020 12:52:34 GMT -8
online learning is absolutely inferior, NO DOUBT ABOUT IT. But I'll sacrifice that for some safety. Its going to be my job to make sure I do a better job at keeping my kids in line with their school work. And yes, in the beginning, it was said young people (kids) were not susceptible because they weren't many cases. That got debunked once young kids started to get it. I'd like to see the data about young folks are poor spreaders. That doesn't seem logical to me. There have always been plenty of cases of kids contracting COVID-19, but the effect on them has always been negligible. Not one single person under 18 has died of COVID in the entire state of California, yet somehow they are 'super spreaders' of the virus? Now that seems illogical to me. www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/CID/DCDC/Pages/COVID-19/COVID-19-Cases-by-Age-Group.aspx#
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