RSM789
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Post by RSM789 on Apr 24, 2020 8:04:37 GMT -8
As of Thursday, there still has not been a single obituary in the Register where the cause of death is Covid-19. I know it is anecdotal, but I think it is showing a difference between what is being listed on medical paperwork as cause of death and what the family members who know how the person in question dies write when they send in the obituary.
Also, Liz Warren claims her brother died of Covid-19. My first thought was I didn't know the virus had made it into the tribal lands. My second thought is she is lying for no other reason to get attention.
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SK80
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Post by SK80 on Apr 24, 2020 8:45:52 GMT -8
I'm pretty sure that graph is applicable everywhere in the US. But instead of reporting that alone, how about including the data points that show the # of flu deaths concurrently? The problem with that is if a person dies of the flu, or a stroke, or the clap, or terminal stupidity, and tests positive for the coronavirus, the death goes in the COVID-19 column. So if you are in a car accident and die by trauma..., yet during the autopsy they find COVID19 in your corpse, even though you were 100% asymptomatic, is that now a Covid19 death count? |
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Post by MDDad on Apr 24, 2020 9:14:49 GMT -8
My second thought is she is lying for no other reason to get attention. I think Liz is past the point where attention will do her any good. |
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Post by MDDad on Apr 24, 2020 9:17:34 GMT -8
So if you are in a car accident and die by trauma..., yet during the autopsy they find COVID19 in your corpse, even though you were 100% asymptomatic, is that now a Covid19 death count? I believe in many jurisdictions it would be. Furthermore, people who were never tested for the virus but in the opinion of physicians die of "COVID-like symptoms" are also counted as coronavirus deaths. |
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Post by SK80 on Apr 24, 2020 9:34:55 GMT -8
and I believe its true that there is an incentive for COVID19 deaths for hospitals? States? Federall money per death?
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Post by RSM789 on Apr 24, 2020 10:00:30 GMT -8
The results of the testing and the information about the over-attribution of Covid19 as the CAUSE of death (as opposed to a contributing factor) has helped me clarify exactly what has happened. Much of what most of us on this forum have been saying for months is being shown as the truth. Using hindsight, it appears the steps of this Pandemic were as following: - The virus escapes from a lab in Wuhan in late 2019;
- The virus makes it to the US in January 2020 and begins infecting the public, who unknowingly believe any symptoms they have are flu or cold related;
- W.H.O. declares the virus as a world wide pandemic;
- The US government finds out the virus escaped from a lab and is concerned it is a biological weapon. As cases begin to become identified as Covid-19 and not a flu or cold virus, the US government fears the worst (a biological attack) and follows CDC guidelines to shut down the country;
- The Media & left embrace the shutdown as a way to win politically. The Media runs 24/7 coverage of the virus as if it is an Extinction Level Event and on the local level, the left imposes draconian orders upon the public.
- As more information comes to light that the initial reaction was an over reaction, fear is hammered into the public by the media & the left. Anyone who declares it is time to begin the process of returning to normalcy is crucified by the media & the left.
Where things go from here, I don't know. My hunch is that a majority of the US will see the actions of various groups for what they are and ignore those with selfish agendas. It will take years to get the economy back on track and a bigger concern is if we do face a very serious virus in the near future, this experience of crying wolf will cause most Americans to doubt any warnings.
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Post by davidsf on Apr 24, 2020 10:35:56 GMT -8
As reported previously, our rotund Governor Extended the Stay-at-home order through May 30 which many, including me, consider to be an overstep of his author’tay. as I read The Illinois Emergency Management Agency Act, under which our Governor acquires special authority to handle emergencies, he gets to declare an emergency (Section 7) only once, and for only 30 days, which expired on April 21, 3 days ago... and there is no provision for an extension for the same emergency. so a State Representative, Darren Bailey, Has filed a lawsuit against our Governor asking the court to intervene and stop the governors overstep. its about time. |
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Post by davidsf on Apr 24, 2020 14:39:06 GMT -8
As reported previously, our rotund Governor Extended the Stay-at-home order through May 30 which many, including me, consider to be an overstep of his author’tay. as I read The Illinois Emergency Management Agency Act, under which our Governor acquires special authority to handle emergencies, he gets to declare an emergency (Section 7) only once, and for only 30 days, which expired on April 21, 3 days ago... and there is no provision for an extension for the same emergency. so a State Representative, Darren Bailey, Has filed a lawsuit against our Governor asking the court to intervene and stop the governors overstep. its about time. NOW someone is starting to think about all this with an eye on the Constitution: The Illinois Appellate Prosecutor Chief Deputy Director Memorandum VERY problematic for Governor Pritzker
which is what I’ve been saying all along... |
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Post by Credo on Apr 28, 2020 20:00:25 GMT -8
Sanity in Newport Beach.
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Post by RSM789 on Apr 28, 2020 20:10:35 GMT -8
Thank you Newport Beach City Council.
I wonder if they will receive flack from those homeowners who considered the shutdown a way to make Newport their own private beach? Yeah, it would suck to live down there and have all these tourists around, but that is what you get when you live near a public (fill in the blank). Don't want people trampling around near your home? Then don't live next to a public facility.
As a disclaimer, I hate going to the beach. I'll take Lake Mead or Powell over it any time.
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Post by thefrog on Apr 28, 2020 21:10:31 GMT -8
Thank you Newport Beach City Council. I wonder if they will receive flack from those homeowners who considered the shutdown a way to make Newport their own private beach? Yeah, it would suck to live down there and have all these tourists around, but that is what you get when you live near a public (fill in the blank). Don't want people trampling around near your home? Then don't live next to a public facility. As a disclaimer, I hate going to the beach. I'll take Lake Mead or Powell over it any time. Actually, this is pretty accurate. “Friend” on my social media was posting from her beach house telling people to “go home.” GTFO... I’m either headed to the beach or going to the mountains this weekend |
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Post by SK80 on Apr 28, 2020 22:58:04 GMT -8
As a disclaimer, I hate going to the beach. I'll take Lake Mead or Powell over it any time. ya there are some things you just aren't cut out for RSM..., any wonder why all the animosity!   |
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Post by SK80 on Apr 29, 2020 5:37:51 GMT -8
So what do we see here... political football, that is all this has boiled down to yet again...., one can agree these red state governors as an ideology or party platform are about economic growth as opposed to the blue state governors whom are pushing for an ideology in which government growth is their driving ideological mission..... we basically have a coalition of Republican governors ready to move ahead and face the realities while we have a coalition of Democrat governors still willing to hide, shelter in place. The Governors of Colorado and Nevada claim they are putting "science ahead of politics"... or is it really about November and bending science to achieve this end?
Hence, governors in Texas, Georgia, Oklahoma, Missouri, Florida, Ohio, Montana, Tennessee, Utah, and South Carolina have all announced substantive plans to allow some businesses to reopen this week, with varying restrictions remaining in place.
It’s Time Get Real About How Long Lockdowns Can Last
The second set of governors, those who are extending their lockdown orders, are coming off as… not so reasonable. California Gov. Gavin Newsom said Monday he was still weeks away from making “measurable and meaningful changes” to his statewide stay-at-home order.
Newsom’s decision about reopening the country’s most populous state, he said, would be driven by data and “behavior”—and the behavior he saw over the weekend, with crowds of people gathering at Ventura and Orange County beaches, is just the sort of thing that will delay reopening. “We can’t see the images like we saw, particularly on Saturday in Newport Beach and elsewhere, in the state of California.”
But is it data or behavior that Newsom is relying on? Because the data show that California, a state of some 40 million people, has had fewer than 1,800 COVID-19 fatalities and currently has fewer than 3,400 hospitalizations, with Los Angeles alone accounting for about half of all fatalities and hospitalizations. Meanwhile, millions have filed jobless claims in California but the state’s overwhelmed labor agency has only been able to pay one out of every eight claims, one of the lowest rates in the country.
Other governors have even less reason to extend lockdowns. Over the weekend, Wisconsin Gov. Tony Evers extended his stay-at-home order until May 26 despite the relatively few numbers of coronavirus deaths in his state (less than 300 as of Tuesday) and a recent decline in the number of positive COVID-19 tests.
Colorado Gov. Jared Polis and Nevada Gov. Steve Sisolak said Monday they would join California, Oregon, and Washington in a Western States Pact that puts “science ahead of politics.” But politics, like science, can’t be easily ignored. Nevada has fewer than 5,000 cases and just 219 deaths, yet Sisolak has announced no plans to loosen his stay-at-home order despite protests across the state over the weekend calling on him to reopen.
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Post by Bick on Apr 29, 2020 6:02:32 GMT -8
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Post by MDDad on Apr 29, 2020 7:42:59 GMT -8
Every ruler since the pharaohs, and every parent since Adam and Eve, has known that the more you can frighten people, the more you can impose your will and control them. What we are seeing in these new regulations, laws and executive orders is just a natural extension of that in order to impose a social and political agenda.
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