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Post by vilepagan on Jun 22, 2021 2:07:53 GMT -8
They destroyed property. A least it was only a gate. And that's why we need the 2nd Amendment...right? This is your justification for the behavior of the McCloskeys? |
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Post by billb on Jun 22, 2021 17:21:27 GMT -8
I didn't say the broken gate was a justification. Can you quote where I did. Also, I never mentioned anything about the 2nd amendment.
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Post by vilepagan on Jun 23, 2021 3:18:43 GMT -8
I didn't say the broken gate was a justification. Can you quote where I did. Also, I never mentioned anything about the 2nd amendment. Ok, no broken gate...got it...my apologies...you may not have mentioned the 2nd Amendment but considering the thread title I figured you were talking about it. Perhaps you weren't talking about anything at all. |
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Post by thefrog on Jun 23, 2021 16:10:27 GMT -8
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billb
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Post by billb on Jun 23, 2021 22:07:14 GMT -8
I didn't say the broken gate was a justification. Can you quote where I did. Also, I never mentioned anything about the 2nd amendment. Ok, no broken gate...got it...my apologies...you may not have mentioned the 2nd Amendment but considering the thread title I figured you were talking about it. Perhaps you weren't talking about anything at all. You asked me to comment on statements I didn't make Vile. I didn't have a problem with them defending themselves on their property with their guns against a mob. You said they should have gone in their house and prayed. Can they look out their window at the mob, or is that something they shouldn't do? |
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Post by MDDad on Jun 24, 2021 6:07:38 GMT -8
You asked me to comment on statements I didn't make Vile. Yeah, that's kinda what he does. |
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Post by SK80 on Jul 4, 2021 6:26:39 GMT -8
To protect one-selves from pirates! Ummmm today....., Errrr, government! What pound ball ya'll shoot! Private Cannon Ownership in Early America
www.aier.org/article/private-cannon-ownership-in-early-america/
 President Joseph R. Biden, Jr. claimed in a speech on Wednesday, 23 June 2021 that “The Second Amendment, from the day it was passed, limited the type of people who could own a gun and what type of weapon you could own. You couldn’t buy a cannon.”
Oh, Joe, all the things you don’t know! Your claims are factually inaccurate; Internet patriots should censor these particular ones as dismisinfoganda. Other fact checkers have already pilloried your ignorance of these matters! You, or at least your speechwriters, should read a book, literally my One Nation Under Debt (McGraw Hill 2008). In it, and the copious sources cited therein, you will find that private individuals could, and did: |
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Post by vilepagan on Jul 5, 2021 2:28:00 GMT -8
To protect one-selves from pirates! Ummmm today....., Errrr, government! What pound ball ya'll shoot! Private Cannon Ownership in Early America
www.aier.org/article/private-cannon-ownership-in-early-america/
President Joseph R. Biden, Jr. claimed in a speech on Wednesday, 23 June 2021 that “The Second Amendment, from the day it was passed, limited the type of people who could own a gun and what type of weapon you could own. You couldn’t buy a cannon.”
Oh, Joe, all the things you don’t know! Your claims are factually inaccurate; Internet patriots should censor these particular ones as dismisinfoganda. Other fact checkers have already pilloried your ignorance of these matters! You, or at least your speechwriters, should read a book, literally my One Nation Under Debt (McGraw Hill 2008). In it, and the copious sources cited therein, you will find that private individuals could, and did: Yes, and still can. But that's not the point is it...the Supreme Court has always ruled that the second Amendment does NOT prevent states or municipalities from regulating gun ownership in their jurisdictions. The founding fathers were aware of such laws and approved of them. Five types of gun laws the Founding Fathers loved#1: Registration
Today American gun rights advocates typically oppose any form of registration – even though such schemes are common in every other industrial democracy – and typically argue that registration violates the Second Amendment. This claim is also hard to square with the history of the nation’s founding. All of the colonies – apart from Quaker-dominated Pennsylvania, the one colony in which religious pacifists blocked the creation of a militia – enrolled local citizens, white men between the ages of 16-60 in state-regulated militias. The colonies and then the newly independent states kept track of these privately owned weapons required for militia service. Men could be fined if they reported to a muster without a well-maintained weapon in working condition.
#2: Public carry
The modern gun rights movement has aggressively pursued the goal of expanding the right to carry firearms in public.
The American colonies inherited a variety of restrictions that evolved under English Common Law. In 18th-century England, armed travel was limited to a few well-defined occasions such as assisting justices of the peace and constables. Members of the upper classes also had a limited exception to travel with arms. Concealable weapons such as handguns were subject to even more stringent restrictions. The city of London banned public carry of these weapons entirely.
The American Revolution did not sweep away English common law. In fact, most colonies adopted common law as it had been interpreted in the colonies prior to independence, including the ban on traveling armed in populated areas. Thus, there was no general right of armed travel when the Second Amendment was adopted, and certainly no right to travel with concealed weapons. Such a right first emerged in the United States in the slave South decades after the Second Amendment was adopted. The market revolution of the early 19th century made cheap and reliable hand guns readily available. Southern murder rates soared as a result.
In other parts of the nation, the traditional English restrictions on traveling armed persisted with one important change. American law recognized an exception to this prohibition for individuals who had a good cause to fear an imminent threat. Nonetheless, by the end of the century, prohibiting public carry was the legal norm, not the exception.
#3: Stand-your-ground laws
Under traditional English common law, one had a duty to retreat, not stand your ground. Deadly force was justified only if no other alternative was possible. One had to retreat, until retreat was no longer possible, before killing an aggressor.
The use of deadly force was justified only in the home, where retreat was not required under the so-called castle doctrine, or the idea that “a man’s home is his castle.” The emergence of a more aggressive view of the right of self-defense in public, standing your ground, emerged slowly in the decades after the Civil War.
#4: Safe storage laws
Although some gun rights advocates attempt to demonize government power, it is important to recognize that one of the most important rights citizens enjoy is the freedom to elect representatives who can enact laws to promote health and public safety. This is the foundation for the idea of ordered liberty. The regulation of gun powder and firearms arises from an exercise of this basic liberty.
In 1786, Boston acted on this legal principle, prohibiting the storage of a loaded firearm in any domestic dwelling in the city. Guns had to be kept unloaded, a practice that made sense since the black powder used in firearms in this period was corrosive. Loaded guns also posed a particular hazard in cases of fire because they might discharge and injure innocent bystanders and those fighting fires.
#5: Loyalty oaths
One of the most common claims one hears in the modern Second Amendment debate is the assertion that the Founders included this provision in the Constitution to make possible a right of revolution. But this claim, too, rests on a serious misunderstanding of the role the right to bear arms played in American constitutional theory.
In fact, the Founders engaged in large-scale disarmament of the civilian population during the American Revolution. The right to bear arms was conditional on swearing a loyalty oath to the government. Individuals who refused to swear such an oath were disarmed.
The notion that the Second Amendment was understood to protect a right to take up arms against the government is absurd. Indeed, the Constitution itself defines such an act as treason.
Gun regulation and gun ownership have always existed side by side in American history. The Second Amendment poses no obstacle to enacting sensible gun laws. The failure to do so is not the Constitution’s fault; it is ours.
theconversation.com/five-types-of-gun-laws-the-founding-fathers-loved-85364 |
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Post by mrright on Jul 9, 2021 12:03:41 GMT -8
but biden says we need nukes
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Post by mrright on Jul 22, 2021 12:22:09 GMT -8
Is that couple Queen Elizabeth and Prince Philip, because that looks like freakin' Buckingham Palace behind them. Furthermore, it appears the idiots they are threatening with their firearms are on a public sidewalk. If that's the case, then the couple should be arrested. psst...its a gated community that they broke into |
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Post by tarmac on Jul 23, 2021 10:22:55 GMT -8
I see guns and ammo are back on the shelve of gun stores.
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Post by mrright on Jul 23, 2021 13:10:05 GMT -8
for when libs finally go too far
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Post by tarmac on Jul 27, 2021 9:24:47 GMT -8
HR 127.
Must register all your firearms with the federal government. $ per firearm
Must have a 24 hour class before you can get a firearm license. $$
Must have a federal firearm license to own any firearms and the license is only good for one year. $
Must have a second federal firearm license for military looking firearms. $$
Must be seen by a psychiatrist authorized by the US Attorney General before buying a firearm. $$$
Must buy firearm insurance that is only sold by the federal government. $$$
Need a background check every time you buy ammo.$
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Post by mrright on Jul 27, 2021 11:33:18 GMT -8
sure doesnt sound like "shall not be infringed" to me
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SK80
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Post by SK80 on Aug 17, 2021 6:09:40 GMT -8
Biden just gave the Taliban the right to bear (bigger & better) arms.......
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