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Post by MDDad on Oct 18, 2020 6:12:28 GMT -8
Amy Barrett may be the first rock star on the Supreme Court. And she may be there for 35 years.
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Post by SK80 on Oct 18, 2020 6:39:02 GMT -8
Amy Barrett may be the first rock star on the Supreme Court. And she may be there for 35 years. Ya and if Biden wins they will pack the court making her irrelevant...
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Post by RSM789 on Oct 18, 2020 7:55:08 GMT -8
With all this talk of court packing, is it legal to "unpack" a court?
In other words, lets say Biden comes in and adds 4 justices to raise the total to 13. Can the next president come in & with Senate approval, undo his & the Senates action, reducing the court back to its previous 9?
If so, if that is legal, I would float it out as a way to negate the left from even trying.
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Post by MDDad on Oct 18, 2020 8:06:41 GMT -8
With all this talk of court packing, is it legal to "unpack" a court? In other words, lets say Biden comes in and adds 4 justices to raise the total to 13. Can the next president come in & with Senate approval, undo his & the Senates action, reducing the court back to its previous 9? If so, if that is legal, I would float it out as a way to negate the left from even trying. That hypothetical is based on the assumption that (a) the GOP will ever again win a presidential election, and (b) that the president could decide which justices to eliminate. With the potential elimination of the filibuster, and the addition of Washington, DC, and Puerto Rico as two new solidly Democratic states, (a) might be wishful thinking, especially if the electoral college is eliminated as well.
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Post by RSM789 on Oct 18, 2020 8:19:38 GMT -8
So lets use the hypothetical that the Dems win the presidency & the Senate, at which time they pack the court, eliminate the filibuster and eliminate the electoral college, making it near impossible for the Dems to lose power for decades. Is there any reason to think that the conservative part of the country will just sit there and take that abuse?
Those actions by the Dems would be the first shot fired in another civil war, unless they allowed Texas and a handful of other states to peacefully secede from the union.
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Post by MDDad on Oct 18, 2020 8:36:44 GMT -8
So lets use the hypothetical that the Dems win the presidency & the Senate, at which time they pack the court, eliminate the filibuster and eliminate the electoral college, making it near impossible for the Dems to lose power for decades. After thinking about it, I believe the elimination of the electoral college would require a constitutional amendment, and the left would find it impossible to gain the number of votes (2/3 in the House and 2/3 in the Senate) and the 38 states needed to ratify such a change. Realistically, what other options would they have? As long as we're conjecturing, what form would such a "civil war" take? Do you envision organized armies led by 21st Century versions of Lee and Grant battling it out, or something more like a bunch of rednecks trying to storm the White House with squirrel rifles? If a civil war means rioting in our streets, well, we already have that. And I think any confrontation with the military would be beyond foolish, wouldn't it?
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Post by RSM789 on Oct 18, 2020 10:05:35 GMT -8
As long as we're conjecturing, what form would such a "civil war" take? Do you envision organized armies led by 21st Century versions of Lee and Grant battling it out, or something more like a bunch of rednecks trying to storm the White House with squirrel rifles? If a civil war means rioting in our streets, well, we already have that. And I think any confrontation with the military would be beyond foolish, wouldn't it? Think more along the lines of urban warfare, with IEDs and other types of fighting where a local militia is trying to discourage an infiltrating force with superior firepower. If Texas & other states chose to secede, they wouldn't attack the White House. Rather, they would just ignore the Federal government & set up their own. It would then be up to the federal government to either let them go or use the military to try to force the state to follow federal leadership. Considering how many of people in the military are conservative, such actions would not have the enthusiasm the Union army had (with the passion to stop slavery). So you would get a half-hearted attempt by military personnel, many would defect and it would come down to whether or not the Democratic president was willing to drop bombs, including nukes, on American cities & states to force compliance.
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Post by MDDad on Oct 18, 2020 10:19:56 GMT -8
Think more along the lines of urban warfare, with IEDs and other types of fighting where a local militia is trying to discourage an infiltrating force with superior firepower. I get that, but who would be fighting whom? Antifa and BLM morons against rednecks and Aryan Nation dudes, with a few real military personnel on both sides? Would it not be over as soon as a couple fat nerds and blue-haired chicks got their heads blown off? And what would be the "military" objectives of such actions? Now that's way, way, way over the top. If you pitched that idea as a movie, I'm not sure even Liam Neeson would be willing to star in it. And don't forget the reality of what would result in any worst case scenario: We're still stuck here in shithole Kalifornia.
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Post by RSM789 on Oct 18, 2020 11:03:15 GMT -8
Think more along the lines of urban warfare, with IEDs and other types of fighting where a local militia is trying to discourage an infiltrating force with superior firepower. I get that, but who would be fighting whom? Now that's way, way, way over the top. If a state chose to secede and the US Government, led by a Democrat president & Democrat majorities in the Senate & House, wanted to stop such a succession, the fighting would be between the citizenry of the state (who agreed with the state governments decision to secede) and the US military. The state government leadership would be on the defensive, trying to avoid being captured or killed by the US military and armed citizens would assist the state government by impeding the efforts of the US military. You seem to be stuck in the paradigm of warfare between countries, with organized militaries, uniforms and rules. This would not be that. This would be an invasion by an organized military to try to capture or kill the leadership of a state government, who would run into resistance by a percentage of state citizens. As far as dropping bombs, remember who we are dealing with on the left. There have already been duly elected Democratic politicians who have said they would drop nukes against a resistance: Rep. Eric Swalwell
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And it would be a short war my friend. The government has nukes. Too many of them. But they’re legit.
Do you really trust a President Kamala Harris, backed by Schumer & Pelosi, not to do something drastic to try to force Texas & a coalition of states to stay in the union? Look at what Communist & Socialist leaders have done time & again over history in order to force compliance. The Dems would not hesitate to do they same, they have the same ideology. I'm sure Neville Chamberlain thought that the idea of Germany & Japan doing the things they ended up doing in WWII was "over the top". History is littered with reasonable people expecting tyrants to be reasonable and being utterly disappointed when wrong.
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Post by MDDad on Oct 18, 2020 12:15:14 GMT -8
If a state chose to secede and the US Government, led by a Democrat president & Democrat majorities in the Senate & House, wanted to stop such a succession, the fighting would be between the citizenry of the state (who agreed with the state governments decision to secede) and the US military. If that were truly to be the scenario, the war would be over in 24 hours. Harris, Schumer and Pelosi are rich, spoiled, gutless political hacks, and no, I can't see them considering anything as drastic as nuking their own citizenry. It's more likely they would be glad to see them go to avoid the inconvencience of armed conflict. Don't confuse Kamala Harris with Abraham Lincoln. Those communist and socialists operated from a position of desperation, not the privilege and wealth that Harris and Pelosi enjoy. Yes, they share the same ideology on the surface, but the difference in their depth of conviction is like night and day. When push comes to shove, Harris and Pelosi would fold like wet Kleenex.
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Post by RSM789 on Oct 18, 2020 13:03:16 GMT -8
If a state chose to secede and the US Government, led by a Democrat president & Democrat majorities in the Senate & House, wanted to stop such a succession, the fighting would be between the citizenry of the state (who agreed with the state governments decision to secede) and the US military. If that were truly to be the scenario, the war would be over in 24 hours. Those communist and socialists operated from a position of desperation, not the privilege and wealth that Harris and Pelosi enjoy...When push comes to shove, Harris and Pelosi would fold like wet Kleenex. With all due respect to your historical knowledge of the Civil War, this would be more like the Russians & Afghanistan. You would have a stronger military comprised of personnel who are not sold on the moral purpose of the orders being given to them going after scattered individuals who are passionate about their cause. Further, the individuals they would be going after would be fellow Americans. You would see a huge amount of desertion and traitorous acts against the military by personnel. The firepower advantage is negated until in frustration, the military is used like a sledgehammer to swat a fly, i.e., bombings (nuke or conventional) that kill innocent civilians. Look at the record of someone like Kamala Harris when she does have power - she is brutal. The privilege & wealth increase the brutality because they believe they will lose it if they don't succeed. They have had no empathy their entire lives, they are political animals and given the chance to rid the world of people they consider to be racist or bigots, they would not hesitate. You are underestimating the depths of depravity the left will go to in order to achieve their goals and their lack of respect for human life. To your defense, you aren't the first.
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Post by MDDad on Oct 18, 2020 13:32:47 GMT -8
You are underestimating the depths of depravity the left will go to in order to achieve their goals and their lack of respect for human life. To your defense, you aren't the first. And I think you're overestimating the depth of their convictions. When depravity without conviction meets resistance and adversity, it dissipates like smoke. Kamala Harris and Nancy Pelosi are not revolutionaries, they are opportunists. Harris especially is a political whore without ideological principles who will take whichever side benefits her the most. If she could make more political hay by being a libertarian, she'd switch tomorrow. Just look at her about face on hating and then loving Joe Biden. And Pelosi is too old and feeble-minded to have any convictions at all. Cut the power to her two $12,000 refrigerators so her designer ice cream starts to melt and she'll back whover can restore her electricity the quickest, whether it's George McGovern or Barry Goldwater. They are all mouth and no guts.
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Post by RSM789 on Oct 18, 2020 19:49:25 GMT -8
I agree they have weak convictions, but that only matters on the way to acquiring power. Once they have power, their lust for it appreciates exponentially and they will use it in any manner to get the things they want & to keep and expand that power. Their weakness leads to abuses of power that a stronger person would never consider. Their weakness, when combined with power, is the danger.
Harris would never visit the troops ala Lincoln, but she would have no qualms sitting in a comfy war room ordering them to drop bombs on a resistance.
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Post by Credo on Oct 18, 2020 21:21:45 GMT -8
Trump is going to win on November 3, thereby negating this thread's entire discussion today.
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Post by MDDad on Oct 18, 2020 21:30:19 GMT -8
Harris would never visit the troops ala Lincoln, but she would have no qualms sitting in a comfy war room ordering them to drop bombs on a resistance. I think you're overestimating Kamala's gumption, even in a "comfy war room", but hopefully we'll never know who's right. But I'll tell you what, if Kamala drops nukes on an armed resistance, I'd be more than willing to admit Terry Bradshaw was a tad bit better than mediocre. What are you willing to offer up? And why couldn't this kind of civil difference of opinion have occurred on that other shit messageboard?
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