billb
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Post by billb on Oct 13, 2022 20:04:34 GMT -8
Well, it is the fourth quarter 38-21 Los al. Los Alamitos - #7 Malachi Nelson 32 Yd pass completed for a TD. LAHS 37, Edison 21 So much for Transfer U...  |
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Post by Credo on Oct 13, 2022 21:58:27 GMT -8
Well, it is the fourth quarter 38-21 Los al. Los Alamitos - #7 Malachi Nelson 32 Yd pass completed for a TD. LAHS 37, Edison 21 So much for Transfer U... Not surprised by that result. The Griffins are set to dominate the Sunset League as long as they continue to bring in Long Beach kids holding D-1 offers in the 8th grade. With all due respect to Bick (a fine man) , it looks like Los Al has decided to sample (on a public school scale) the secret sauce that has made Mater Dei so successful in the past few years. |
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Post by MDDad on Oct 14, 2022 6:21:17 GMT -8
Not surprised by that result. The Griffins are set to dominate the Sunset League as long as they continue to bring in Long Beach kids holding D-1 offers in the 8th grade. With all due respect to Bick (a fine man) , it looks like Los Al has decided to sample (on a public school scale) the secret sauce that has made Mater Dei so successful in the past few years. Credo, could you please expand on what you mean by "bring in"? Other than accept kids whose families move into their attendance area and apply for admission, what else can they do? They certainly can't offer lower tuition than the free Long Beach public schools do. |
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Post by sixthman13 on Oct 14, 2022 13:12:55 GMT -8
I thought that Edisonś two best players were transfers from Mater Dei? They get their players from all over. I am quite sure all of CDMś players do not live in that neighborhood, who could afford to. I know Harbor had some transfers including their quarterback. Huntington Beach has a transfer at QB. Los Al and other north county schools have to take transfers because of ada. Some of the beach schools do not want transfers because their budget is set by property taxes. At least that is the way I understand it.
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Post by Bick on Oct 14, 2022 14:30:51 GMT -8
Not surprised by that result. The Griffins are set to dominate the Sunset League as long as they continue to bring in Long Beach kids holding D-1 offers in the 8th grade. With all due respect to Bick (a fine man) , it looks like Los Al has decided to sample (on a public school scale) the secret sauce that has made Mater Dei so successful in the past few years. Credo, could you please expand on what you mean by "bring in"? Other than accept kids whose families move into their attendance area and apply for admission, what else can they do? They certainly can't offer lower tuition than the free Long Beach public schools do. Credo is right...I am a fine man. I was also going to ask what is meant by bringing ANYONE in. Who is bringing them in? Wouldn't that require pre-enrollment contact that's grounds for making players ineligible? |
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Post by SK80 on Oct 15, 2022 10:06:05 GMT -8
I thought that Edisonś two best players were transfers from Mater Dei? They get their players from all over. I am quite sure all of CDMś players do not live in that neighborhood, who could afford to. I know Harbor had some transfers including their quarterback. Huntington Beach has a transfer at QB. Los Al and other north county schools have to take transfers because of ada. Some of the beach schools do not want transfers because their budget is set by property taxes. At least that is the way I understand it. Sixthman, you want to be a bit more specific with that "quite sure"? |
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Post by SK80 on Oct 15, 2022 10:43:45 GMT -8
Credo, could you please expand on what you mean by "bring in"? Other than accept kids whose families move into their attendance area and apply for admission, what else can they do? They certainly can't offer lower tuition than the free Long Beach public schools do. Credo is right...I am a fine man. I was also going to ask what is meant by bringing ANYONE in. Who is bringing them in? Wouldn't that require pre-enrollment contact that's grounds for making players ineligible? Credo, it's like this now, the new era, or lets see, the expanded bigger better further reaching version of the old era. Per Bruce Bible, "Los Al doesn’t recruit we run a good program and people show up."  If you read between the lines, we don't make illegal contact, we don't have to, they simply show up. There are obviously many reasons why, from coaching, relationships with other off season or off campus organizations and leagues to logistics. If all within the rules et by CIF so be it. However, you can't run from this part of the statement, "...people show up". By this fact, you or one can only conclude, kids, parents are not exactly showing up from within the neighborhood. I think Mission Viejo has been able to use this as well from coaching to favorable logistics in South County. Did I add that Bick was fine man?  |
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Post by MDDad on Oct 15, 2022 11:08:21 GMT -8
OK, SK80, let's go through this for the umpteenth time. I can tell you for a fact that EVERY top program engages in illegal contact, and most of the mediocre ones do as well. Do you really think that Chase Garbers played at Corona del Mar for four years and nobody at that school ever spoke to his parents about where Ethan might go to school? While Ben Humphreys was at Mater Dei, do you really believe nobody at Corona del Mar ever spoke to his parents about where young phenom John might go to school? Well, pal, that's illegal contact by definition. It's difficult to have these kinds of debates with posters who have not familiarized themselves with the CIF Blue Book rules or definitions, yet insist on blaming other schools for illegal contact while absolving their own. Trust me, that ain't how things work.
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Post by SK80 on Oct 15, 2022 11:17:53 GMT -8
OK, SK80, let's go through this for the umpteenth time. I can tell you for a fact that EVERY top program engages in illegal contact, and most of the mediocre ones do as well. Do you really think that Chase Garbers played at Corona del Mar for four years and nobody at that school ever spoke to his parents about where Ethan might go to school? While Ben Humphreys was at Mater Dei, do you really believe nobody at Corona del Mar ever spoke to his parents about where young phenom John might go to school? Well, pal, that's illegal contact by definition. It's difficult to have these kinds of debates with posters who have not familiarized themselves with the CIF Blue Book rules or definitions, yet insist on blaming other schools for illegal contact while absolving their own. Trust me, that ain't how things work. where did I say illegal contact before you blow a gasket? I actually said if you read my post if its within the rules of CIF as they make, so be it. Bro don't blow. |
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Post by MDDad on Oct 15, 2022 11:24:41 GMT -8
You miss my point. It's NOT within the CIF rules, at your school or a couple hundred others. All good programs break the rules, and to try to insist one school is more sanctimonious than another because they break the rules less egregiously is a waste of time. It's like two hookers arguing over which one is more of a whore.
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Post by SK80 on Oct 15, 2022 11:40:23 GMT -8
You miss my point. It's NOT within the CIF rules, at your school or a couple hundred others. All good programs break the rules, and to try to insist one school is more sanctimonious than another because they break the rules less egregiously is a waste of time. It's like two hookers arguing over which one is more of a whore. wow, you take things for a stretch. going as far as within a family whom resides within a school district and school in which their children and family are enrolled if they talk with one of those kids in any way they are lumped into the same breath of ILLEGAL activity of recruiting that has been going on across HSF for years? bro, you obviously still mad John walked away that day from the MD signing table. Ben was a great Monarch, he made his decision to go to Mater Dei. John was a great Sea King, he made his choice to go to Corona del Mar. |
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Post by MDDad on Oct 15, 2022 12:05:15 GMT -8
going as far as within a family whom resides within a school district and school in which their children and family are enrolled if they talk with one of those kids in any way they are lumped into the same breath of ILLEGAL activity of recruiting that has been going on across HSF for years? That statement clearly illustrates the fact that you have probably never read the CIF Blue Book and are unfamiliar with its rules, so we really have no common grounds for debate. When it comes to illegal contact and undue influence, the CIF rules draw no distinction between a family that lives within a school's attendance boundaries and a family that lives across the country. |
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Post by sixthman on Oct 15, 2022 12:48:15 GMT -8
I thought that Edisonś two best players were transfers from Mater Dei? They get their players from all over. I am quite sure all of CDMś players do not live in that neighborhood, who could afford to. I know Harbor had some transfers including their quarterback. Huntington Beach has a transfer at QB. Los Al and other north county schools have to take transfers because of ada. Some of the beach schools do not want transfers because their budget is set by property taxes. At least that is the way I understand it. Sixthman, you want to be a bit more specific with that "quite sure"? It has been my experience coaching kids who have attended Cypress, Western, Pacifica, Los Alamitos, Kennedy, Mater Dei, Bosco, and Servite that many of them do not live within the attendance boundaries. Maybe CDM is an outlier. But I have my doubts. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Post by SK80 on Oct 15, 2022 12:58:23 GMT -8
going as far as within a family whom resides within a school district and school in which their children and family are enrolled if they talk with one of those kids in any way they are lumped into the same breath of ILLEGAL activity of recruiting that has been going on across HSF for years? That statement clearly illustrates the fact that you have probably never read the CIF Blue Book and are unfamiliar with its rules, so we really have no common grounds for debate. When it comes to illegal contact and undue influence, the CIF rules draw no distinction between a family that lives within a school's attendance boundaries and a family that lives across the country. But you are talking about kids within the same family. I understand the rule fully. Newsflash: Ethan Garbers while being a ball boy for his older brother Chase while at CDM, was illegally recruited by the school his brother was playing for, meanwhile living in the city of Newport Beach in which the school is located and within the family compound, undo influence by the school and family has broken the eggshell on this omelette of a recruiting scandal story.  ~ This report brought to you from the confines of Holy than Thou U!
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Post by Bick on Oct 15, 2022 21:57:14 GMT -8
Credo is right...I am a fine man. I was also going to ask what is meant by bringing ANYONE in. Who is bringing them in? Wouldn't that require pre-enrollment contact that's grounds for making players ineligible? Credo, it's like this now, the new era, or lets see, the expanded bigger better further reaching version of the old era. Per Bruce Bible, "Los Al doesn’t recruit we run a good program and people show up." If you read between the lines, we don't make illegal contact, we don't have to, they simply show up. There are obviously many reasons why, from coaching, relationships with other off season or off campus organizations and leagues to logistics. If all within the rules et by CIF so be it. However, you can't run from this part of the statement, "...people show up". By this fact, you or one can only conclude, kids, parents are not exactly showing up from within the neighborhood. I think Mission Viejo has been able to use this as well from coaching to favorable logistics in South County. Did I add that Bick was fine man? Good grief. Yes, kids want to go to a school that's in their best interests. If they want to transfer, they have to move into the district. We don't offer scholarships or free rent or have a van that transports kids to and from school. We get and lose 3-6 kids each year since I've been there. The ones who think it's better elsewhere move on, and we'll hold the door open for then and wish them success. Credo knows what I'm talking about. Despite 7 guys and 4 coaches randomly deciding to leave Los Al and enroll at Servite at the same time, we remain friends with them, and were supportive of them thru last year. It's really offensive to read guys calling us out with baseless innuendo for something nefarious when we're having success. No one had anything to say when we were 4-7 in 2019. |
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If you read between the lines, we don't make illegal contact, we don't have to, they simply show up. There are obviously many reasons why, from coaching, relationships with other off season or off campus organizations and leagues to logistics. If all within the rules et by CIF so be it. However, you can't run from this part of the statement, "...people show up". By this fact, you or one can only conclude, kids, parents are not exactly showing up from within the neighborhood. I think Mission Viejo has been able to use this as well from coaching to favorable logistics in South County. 
~ This report brought to you from the confines of Holy than Thou U!