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Post by SK80 on Apr 29, 2019 14:26:54 GMT -8
All humbling aside, MDDad want to weigh in on Ricks and DG-Warren bailing out?
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Post by MDDad on Apr 29, 2019 15:33:40 GMT -8
No, not really. As I've said on TOB several times, I place a higher value on the privacy of a minor than I do the need of the general public to be titillated or have their curiosity satisfied. But I respect the makeup of this forum, so I'll say three general things and you can draw your own conclusions.
(1) More and more, athletes want to graduate from high school a semester early because they're convinced it will almost guarantee them playing time or even a starting position as college freshmen. They can make up the credits they need to skip that last semester of high school by taking classes at other high schools, at city colleges, online, or at Tijuana Tech. However, they (and their parents) have the responsibility of confirming with their school academics office that the classes they are taking are acceptable, and the credits will transfer to their academic record. If they fail to do so, and the classes aren't accepted, the time, money and effort they've wasted is on them (and their parents).
(2) Every high school establishes the number of credits required to earn a diploma and graduate. At Mater Dei, Servite, Orange Lutheran, Santa Margarita and JSerra, that number is 270. At St. John Bosco, it's 260. And at Narbonne, it's 210. You can do the math.
And (3), the number of credits required to graduate from high school is often higher than the number of credits required to get into a college. It's a dirty little secret that more and more college recruiters and coaches are telling kids (and their parents), "We don't care if you graduate from high school or not, as long as you have the credits you need to get into (insert college name here)." Unfortunately, many of the parents of these recruited kids aren't rocket scientists, and they often can't see past the stars in their eyes, so they take the bait. Then, when their son doesn't make the NFL, as happens something like 99.8% of the time, they are left with no college degree and no high school diploma. The colleges don't care, because they've made their money off the kid, and the kid and his family are left holding the shitbag.
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Post by SK80 on Apr 29, 2019 16:43:50 GMT -8
That was about as honest, on point and on money assessment we here could expect from a knowledgeable guy on the inside yet looking as well from the outside.
It looks to me that we do have a school (MD) here drawing a line, not playing games with credits and graduation/academic rules. There is no question that these high profile sport institutions right now need no more bad press, no more hiding or fudging rule front page stories and they are ready to hold court on academics as best they can. Perception is half the game today and by doing so, as is the case here, I hope MD gets some applause. Last note, I appreciate your response without speaking of the students involved, they will live their lives and whatever outcome reaps from their choice(s). Good luck to them and respect to the institutions that choose to start really understanding that they are academic institutions first and foremost.
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Post by Credo on Apr 29, 2019 16:59:32 GMT -8
MDDad is spot on in identifying the trend of position players (not just QBs anymore) wanting to get a jump on their college career, with what I think are misguided expectations. But with true freshman QBs winning the last two CFB championship games, everyone thinks they're the next big thing. And they will gladly transfer to any school that will allow them to skip town in January of their senior year. This was at the root of why we lost Spencer Lytle to St. John Bosco last year; he wanted to leave early and Servite balked at that, so off he went to that paragon of high academic standards on Bellflower Blvd.
The parents are ultimately to blame since no kid could make any of these moves without parental consent.
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Post by Bick on Apr 29, 2019 19:17:08 GMT -8
I don't speak for SK80, and I could be completely wrong, but my sense from other public school guys is the current climate in private school is both the school and players are more about serving self, than they are about school / community pride.
I felt that community pride at Cypress and Los Al, saw it at CDM, LA Habra, Carson, Banning, and Western (last couple years) - heard about it at San Clemente. It's pretty neat.
Thick or thin, it's the community team. It's a deep rooted relationship... almost like a marriage.
I always thought the neat thing about the parochial schools was the bonds of faith and character. FWIW, it seems those schools are struggling with that v the allure of national notoriety. Pride is a tempting sin, and it's not my place to pass judgement...especially when I benefit by getting to watch the best HS football in the country in my own back yard.
I just guess it's not as rewarding as it used to be for those schools. But then again, what do I know?
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Post by Credo on Apr 29, 2019 23:04:51 GMT -8
Well said. Pride and "keeping up with the Joneses" is a road that never satisfies. I would prefer all our Catholic schools to focus more on faith and brotherhood and less on national football notoriety.
Having said that, here's a preview of Servite's 2019 schedule.
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Post by ProfessorFate on Apr 29, 2019 23:26:37 GMT -8
I always thought the neat thing about the parochial schools was the bonds of faith and character. FWIW, it seems those schools are struggling with that v the allure of national notoriety. Pride is a tempting sin, and it's not my place to pass judgement...especially when I benefit by getting to watch the best HS football in the country in my own back yard. Oh, but it's so much better now. It's not enough to win the game anymore. Now you have to run up the score in order to have any chance of moving up the national rankings. Lots of offense...in more ways than one. |
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Post by ProfessorFate on Apr 29, 2019 23:37:22 GMT -8
It's getting closer. First day of Spring Football is here.
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Post by Bick on May 1, 2019 7:53:26 GMT -8
Like the tower. Reminds me of "Dan Devine" in Rudy.
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Post by Bick on May 1, 2019 7:57:59 GMT -8
No, not really. As I've said on TOB several times, I place a higher value on the privacy of a minor than I do the need of the general public to be titillated or have their curiosity satisfied. But I respect the makeup of this forum, so I'll say three general things and you can draw your own conclusions. (1) More and more, athletes want to graduate from high school a semester early because they're convinced it will almost guarantee them playing time or even a starting position as college freshmen. They can make up the credits they need to skip that last semester of high school by taking classes at other high schools, at city colleges, online, or at Tijuana Tech. However, they (and their parents) have the responsibility of confirming with their school academics office that the classes they are taking are acceptable, and the credits will transfer to their academic record. If they fail to do so, and the classes aren't accepted, the time, money and effort they've wasted is on them (and their parents).(2) Every high school establishes the number of credits required to earn a diploma and graduate. At Mater Dei, Servite, Orange Lutheran, Santa Margarita and JSerra, that number is 270. At St. John Bosco, it's 260. And at Narbonne, it's 210. You can do the math. And (3), the number of credits required to graduate from high school is often higher than the number of credits required to get into a college. It's a dirty little secret that more and more college recruiters and coaches are telling kids (and their parents), "We don't care if you graduate from high school or not, as long as you have the credits you need to get into (insert college name here)." Unfortunately, many of the parents of these recruited kids aren't rocket scientists, and they often can't see past the stars in their eyes, so they take the bait. Then, when their son doesn't make the NFL, as happens something like 99.8% of the time, they are left with no college degree and no high school diploma. The colleges don't care, because they've made their money off the kid, and the kid and his family are left holding the shitbag. Has there been a conscious effort to change / adhere to the admission standards of athletes this year? Read something on TOB from a MD supporter (I think) and inferred that's the case. |
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Post by MDDad on May 3, 2019 7:47:33 GMT -8
Bick, the short answer is no, not really. Admission standards have been the same since my older son started at Mater Dei in 1998. It has been an unwritten policy of the school and the football program not to accept senior athletic transfers from Orange County or the Trinity League unless there are extreme mitigating circumstances, and I think most would agree that policy has been followed.
Much has also been made of the two young men who transferred out of Mater Dei in the past week, and how that reflects negatively on the school's transfer policies. It should be pointed out that those two kids weren't transfers -- they've been at Mater Dei for three years, since their first day as freshmen.
Not long ago, almost all transfers at all schools happened during the summer or semester break. Unfortunately, more and more, kids are now transferring while classes are in session. It happens at all schools, and to single out one school and pretend it is evidence of something sinister going on there is silly. If you want real examples of sinister practices, let me know.
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Post by Credo on May 3, 2019 11:58:39 GMT -8
So did Ricks and Green-Warren transfer to some place where they could more easily leave in the middle of their senior year? And where did they go?
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Post by MDDad on May 3, 2019 12:24:47 GMT -8
Yes. Darion transferred to Narbonne, whose requirements for graduation are 60 credits fewer than at Mater Dei. Elias is assumed to be attending one of his neighborhood public high schools, either Rancho Cucamonga, Los Osos, Etiwanda or Alta Loma.
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Post by MDDad on May 6, 2019 15:41:52 GMT -8
It may be of interest to some who follow the Trinity League, but in yesterday's 4-Vertical Championship Tournament at the Great Park in Irvine, Mater Dei again won the Division I and Division 2 titles in the 7th/8th grade grouping. Their Stripers team beat Mission Viejo in the D-1 final, and MD's Pride team beat Corona del Mar in D-2.
Perhaps significantly, in 4-Vertical's top division of ten teams, Servite and the two Bosco entries finished 8th, 9th and 10th in league play this season. In yesterday morning's pool games, those three teams also failed to qualify for the afternoon playoffs.
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Post by SK80 on May 6, 2019 16:43:38 GMT -8
It may be of interest to some who follow the Trinity League, but in yesterday's 4-Vertical Championship Tournament at the Great Park in Irvine, Mater Dei again won the Division I and Division 2 titles in the 7th/8th grade grouping. Their Stripers team beat Mission Viejo in the D-1 final, and MD's Pride team beat Corona del Mar in D-2. Perhaps significantly, in 4-Vertical's top division of ten teams, Servite and the two Bosco entries finished 8th, 9th and 10th in league play this season. In yesterday morning's pool games, those three teams also failed to qualify for the afternoon playoffs. May be of interest OUTSIDE of Trinity you know..... |
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