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Post by Bick on Oct 10, 2019 7:39:52 GMT -8
SK80 - Given the choice of the 2 options, I suppose I've always preferred losing in October to winning meaningless games in August and September.
I feel the same way about HS football, only in a different part of the calendar.
You?
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Post by MDDad on Oct 10, 2019 7:56:08 GMT -8
Being an Angels fan is like walking down the hallway in high school and even the ugly chicks won't check you out. You're a loser, but you know it.
Being a Dodgers fan is like asking the homecoming queen to prom, she says yes, you pick her up, she looks like a million bucks, you slow dance all night, you drive her up to Humper's Lookout, you get her in the back seat, you start to work your game, and just when its go time she gets out, calls you an asshole and starts walking home. You're left lying alone in your car with your zipper open and a bad case of blue balls.
I think I might rather be an Angels fan.
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Post by Bick on Oct 10, 2019 8:30:09 GMT -8
Hope springs eternal. I'll take the latter every day, and leave the Angels fans to enjoy their gaming in their mother's basement.
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Post by RSM789 on Oct 10, 2019 16:20:50 GMT -8
I did smile that it was a product from the Angel farm system, Hitman Howie Kendrick, that hit that grand slam. Then I frowned because I thought back to when we traded him in 2014, I wish he would have been an Angel for life.
The Dodgers of this decade are doing a wonderful impression of the Braves from the 1990's, the only difference being that at least Atlanta won the World Series once...
In the past 30 years, the Angels have won more World Series titles than the Dodgers. Still.
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Post by SK80 on Oct 11, 2019 6:59:30 GMT -8
In the past 30 years, the Angels have won more World Series titles than the Dodgers. Still. THIRTY FREAKING YEARS! Ya not sure if being a no-ran is any worse than being an also-ran...... if the 'chip is the only thing that counts or matters "WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE" if you are winning "meaningless games" or losing "meaningful" games? It's 'CHIP or no CHIP!!
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Post by davidsf on Oct 16, 2019 7:34:20 GMT -8
And, thus (I hope) it begins: Joe Madden Returns to the AngelsMadden pulls pitchers too fast for my tastes: I liked Scoscia’s strategy to leave them in to pitch out of trouble, but he sometimes left a pitcher in too long so Madden will definitely be a change. Madden also plays defense by platoon, often switching players from position to position. That works great in business because it gets you a well trained workforce. I’m not convinced it makes expense in Baseball... So, what are your thoughts?
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Post by SK80 on Oct 16, 2019 8:06:54 GMT -8
And, thus (I hope) it begins: Joe Madden Returns to the Angels"] Joe Madden Returns to the Angels So, what are your thoughts?
Well I could go as far as to say ANYTHING to shake up the present situation in Anaheim is a plus. Joe Madden is solid. My take on Scoscia was he became too long in the tooth for AL and "new Era" baseball. By that I mean he was a great "small ball" and NL minded guy. Hit & Run, move the runner over, bunting etc. Today its swing for the fences, bomb, HR or SO!!
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Post by ProfessorFate on Oct 16, 2019 9:58:51 GMT -8
And, thus (I hope) it begins: [a href=" Joe Madden Returns to the Angels"] Joe Madden Returns to the AngelsAs a Cub fan, I agree that Maddon pulls pitchers too fast. But it's worse than that. Maddon would not wait until they were in trouble. I don't know how many times a starter would be out there pitching a gem of a game for seven innings, and come the 8 th inning he'd have a new pitcher in there, who would then blow a three run lead before getting an out or two. I'm sure he thought it was a good idea not to wear out his starters, but, he would pull them before they were showing any sign of tiring. Of course he was there, and I was in my living room, so maybe he could tell better than I could.
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Post by RSM789 on Oct 16, 2019 10:24:36 GMT -8
I think this will be a defining moment for the Angels. I was always a Scioscia fan, but a few years ago, I realized most of his success was when he had Maddon as a bench coach. Plus, with our pitching staff, you can never pull a starter too early.
In fact, since Bick is our resident Doyer homer, I offer him the following two part bet - Part 1, I bet that the Angels will make the playoffs next year (2020 to avoid any wiggle room). Part 2, I bet the Angels will proceed farther in the playoffs than the Doyers (both missing the playoffs or getting knocked out in the same round counts as a tie).
You name the stakes Bick and we are on.
As an aside, at the start of the playoffs, the Nationals were 18-1 to win the World Series. One of my sons put $100 down on that bet and has a plan for some hedge bets during the World Series to make sure he walks away with at least a grand.
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Post by MDDad on Oct 16, 2019 10:43:24 GMT -8
In fact, since Bick is our resident Doyer homer, I offer him the following two part bet - Part 1, I bet that the Angels will make the playoffs next year (2020 to avoid any wiggle room). Part 2, I bet the Angels will proceed farther in the playoffs than the Doyers (both missing the playoffs or getting knocked out in the same round counts as a tie). RSM, I've been a huge Angels fan since I was but a wee lad in 1964, but I think you're being unrealistic. There is really no way the Dodgers can miss the playoffs next year in a weak National League. And the Angels would have to improve by 25 wins and leapfrog over four other teams to make the playoffs as well. If you're really an Angels fan, please tell me how they will do that, given their current dead-weight roster constraints (i.e. $63 million owed to Albert Pujols, Justin Upton and Zack Cozart next year), and the reality that not a single starting pitcher on the team pitched a hundred innings or won eight games. Even if by some miracle Gerrit Cole signs with them out of sympathy, he can't start every game.
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Post by RSM789 on Oct 16, 2019 11:04:05 GMT -8
...please tell me how they will do that... If you are asking exactly how it will happen, I don't know. That is why I wasn't hired by the Angels. Good news is that Joe Maddon was hired and he has shown time & again that he can get more out of the same group of guys than just about any manager in the league. It is like religion, I don't have facts, I have faith (& no, I am not comparing Maddon to Jesus, unless by Jesus you mean that kid from the Dominican Republic who hit over .300 last year). The Angels have the most talented player in baseball and they have a solid roster. They are not the best team. What they haven't had the last few years is a person creative enough to turn what they do have into winning team. World Series winner? Maybe, probably not, but a playoff team is not unreasonable at all. In baseball, there are so many examples of teams exceeding expectations. Other than my son, who do you know that put money on the nationals making the World Series? Look at the last time the Dodgers won the World Series back in '88, how in the world did they win the division, beat the Mets & beat the A's? I could continue to list examples, but you get where I am coming from. MLB talent level is so close, there isn't a whole lot differentiating the best from the worst. It isn't like high school football, where the most talented players are heads & tails above the others. Don't have me make too good of a case or else Bick won't take the bet!!
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Post by davidsf on Oct 16, 2019 11:48:58 GMT -8
They’re going to have to vastly improve their pitching, meaning at least two (three would be netter) real starters and, unfortunately, there aren’t any reliable bright lights in the farm system at this point. Their fielding is O.K., particularly if or when we get Trout back and healthy. Offense might be O.K., but I wouldn’t mind adding a bat or two: I think Albert is about spent and it will not surprise me if they do something stupid like trade Calhoun.
I’m concerned about their preference to still let Ohtani go both ways. IMO, keep him one or the other. The magic of a hitting pitcher has worn off once he went on the DL.
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Post by MDDad on Oct 16, 2019 12:18:00 GMT -8
Good post, RPW, except for four words that torpedo it all. You said "they have a solid roster", and nothing could be further from the truth.
At catcher, Lucroy was so bad he got released, and Stassi, Bernboom, Garneau and Kevan Smith are not major leaguers. At first base, Pujols has been a liability for three years, and at 39 will only continue to get worse. Bour and Walsh were jokes. At second base, La Stella was a jewel until he got hurt, and there's nothing in his past that indicates he will ever be as good as he was in 2019. Rengifo should be a utility guy. At third base, Fletcher had a good year and looks like maybe he can play. Cozart and Thaiss were terrible. At shortstop, Simmons is an all-star. He's made himself into a very good contact hitter, and he makes plays in the field that Ozzie Smith can only dream of making. In left field, Upton became a dog the second he signed that big contract extension. Goodwin had a good year, but it was way above his past performances. He should remain the starter, but they can't unload Upton or afford to keep him on the bench. In center field, Trout is the best player at the position since Willie Mays. Period. No discussion. In right field, Calhoun produced power but little else at the plate. The team will buy him out for $1 million so Adell can get his shot, and that's always a crapshoot. At DH, Ohtani is very good, but he's already had two major physical breakdowns in two years, the pitching caught up to him in his last 30 or 40 games, and for me the jury is still out. The starting pitchers were a trainwreck. The major league average ERA for was 4.49. The only Angels starter who was better than that was Tyler Skaggs, and he's dead. The other seven Angels who started at least ten games were all worse than the major league average. You may want to read those last two sentences again, because they are sobering. The Angels do not even have a #3 major league starter anywhere in their system The bullpen was OK for half a season, but then, as could have been predicted, they collapsed under the workload. Nobody really established himself as a closer or setup man for the entire season.
That's it. The Angels have Trout and Simmons who are above average major league players year in and year out, and Goodwin, La Stella and Fletcher who've done it for one year (maybe a fluke or maybe not). Their starting pitching is the worst in the major leagues, and their bullpen has no assigned roles and no identity.
In short, this is NOT a solid roster. And that's coming from a 50-year supporter.
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Post by RSM789 on Oct 16, 2019 12:52:20 GMT -8
Hey, I thought we were going to hold off on the insults, Coach.
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Post by MDDad on Oct 16, 2019 13:44:20 GMT -8
Freudian slip. To many acronyms and initials floating around.
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